But can Nvidia ship GeForce RTX 4090 to China and other restricted countries? Looks like no.
No, Nvidia Isn't Breaking GPU Sanctions, Says Analyst : Read more
No, Nvidia Isn't Breaking GPU Sanctions, Says Analyst : Read more
No, they are sanctions intended to punish China for their policies and actions .Edit: It could be said that restricting tech is only so the west can continued to sell them stuff without having them compete to much, rather than to cut them off from it.
If that was the case ban why not band the sale of all tech?No, they are sanctions intended to punish China for their policies and actions .
There's no reason to believe that is going to be any time remotely soon. Developing a comparable architecture will be hard enough, but the real challenge will be the manufacturing side. Look how much Intel has struggled to right the ship and catch back up to TMSC. To think China is going to catch TSMC while having to develop all their own tools themselves since they can't buy them from ASML, the company every leading edge fab buys from, is just fantasy talk.With China first policy I think as soon as China can do something good enough and in quantity Nvidia is going to find sales fall off rather quickly.
I just saw screenshots today from Chinese social media showing pallets of 4090s being delivered to a warehouse, so it looks like China is getting the 4090s at least in before the controls come into effect.
The goal of the sanctions is to make China have to build super computers with slow nodes than the West can while still using products sold by US companies. It's not to cut off China completely and accelerate their technological independence.Any "reasonable" sanction is going to be hard to write for effectiveness.
Developing a new product that falls within the strict guidelines of the law is not "skirting" sanctions. But it may very well weaken them since it appears that the rules may have been written with the existing products in mind.
True but I never said it was going to catch up with the best just at some point it will be "good enough" to do what they need.There's no reason to believe that is going to be any time remotely soon. Developing a comparable architecture will be hard enough, but the real challenge will be the manufacturing side. Look how much Intel has struggled to right the ship and catch back up to TMSC. To think China is going to catch TSMC while having to develop all their own tools themselves since they can't buy them from ASML, the company every leading edge fab buys from, is just fantasy talk.
Even if China achieved production parity but had to do so with their own investment and effort rather than theft and coercion it would be worthwhile.True but I never said it was going to catch up with the best just at some point it will be "good enough" to do what they need.
If you're talking about 1 gaming GPU, if you're within 25% of a 4090, that's "good enough." When you're talking about a super computer with 5000 or more GPU's, within 25% per GPU isn't remotely close enough. The added complexity and cost because of the additional necessary nodes to achieve performance parity gets pretty crazy pretty quickly as performance per GPU drops. Building a "good enough" AI accelerator to compete with Nvidia will be a monumental task for the Chinese.True but I never said it was going to catch up with the best just at some point it will be "good enough" to do what they need.
Bingo.The goal of the sanctions is to make China have to build super computers with slow nodes than the West can while still using products sold by US companies. It's not to cut off China completely and accelerate their technological independence.
By tying sanction thresholds to die area, that adds a measure of 'future proofing': If you move to a new process or create chips that are more efficient per unit area (e.g. through clock speed increases or ICP improvements), you then have to add dark die area to stay under the threshold (chips are now more expensive and thus less competitive per unit performance) or hobble performance by some other mechanism (same effect).Any "reasonable" sanction is going to be hard to write for effectiveness.
Developing a new product that falls within the strict guidelines of the law is not "skirting" sanctions. But it may very well weaken them since it appears that the rules may have been written with the existing products in mind.
And how is the lack of competition good for the consumer?If you restrict too little, then you 'risk' having to compete on a more even playing field.
If that was the case ban why not band the sale of all te
You should read the real news sometime.If that was the case ban why not band the sale of all tech?
When was the last time China was in the real news?You should read the real news sometime.