No V-sync = tear. V-sync = stutter.

[muthabord]

Hey.

CPU i7-7700k
GPU: GTX 1080
Monitor: Asus MG279Q 2k 144hz

To put it short it seems i have to decide whether i want V-sync on and have no tearing but plenty of stutter, or if i want V-sync off and get no stutter but plenty of tear.

I suppose it wouldn't matter if i was constantly at 144 fps but i usually play games set to ultra which most of the time lands me between 70 and 120. I really just want ultra setting with high and smooth frames for maximum immersion. I was considering the Asus ROG Swift G-sync monitor but i thought i'd just be wasting money. Is there any fix with my current setup or would it be worth trying to get an exchange or maybe just selling this monitor to get a G-sync monitor?

Thanks.

 

[yeti_yeti]

If you are buying a 144hz your computer should be good enough to handle 144 fps at all times, otherwise you will experience stutter. Lowering your settings to increase your framerates should help. You can also lower the refresh rate of the monitor via nivida control panel

 

[muthabord]

So i should limit to 60hz in Nvidia control panel?

There appears to be a custom resolution and refresh rate feature. Should i use this feature and go for something like 90hz?

Honestly i'm still new to PC gaming.

 

[13thmonkey]

limit to 90 or 120?

 

[muthabord]

Use custom refresh rate to limit 2k 90hz, which might be manageable with my setup to have V-sync without stutter? Could be wrong. Please advise.

 

[yeti_yeti]

So i should limit to 60hz in Nvidia control panel?

There appears to be a custom resolution and refresh rate feature. Should i use this feature and go for something like 90hz?

Honestly i'm still new to PC gaming.

I think if you want to get the full smooth 144hz experience you should just lower the settings a little bit. However, in some games it is nearly impossible to get stable 144 hz (BF1 multiplayer, PUBG). But yes, lowering the refresh rate a bit will make your gameplay slightly smoother. What games are you getting 70-120 fps on btw, this seems kind of weird because your computer is an absolute beast.

 

[muthabord]

Fallout 4 and GTA V in 2560x1440 Ultra don't reach 144fps. They're always between 70-120.

 

[boju]

Try fast sync or adaptive (try fast sync first) and in Gta 5 try set vsync setting to half

 

[muthabord]

Fast sync actually seems to have eliminated both stuttering and tearing. It looks a bit choppy though when i'm casually walking around. Maybe 80fps isn't as smooth as i thought it would be though. It's hard for me to really see what's going on though since the fps is always jumping around.

 

[boju]

Fast sync is suppose to imitate Gsync, a Gsync monitor will be worth while.

 

[muthabord]

It could be something else, but my GPU is seriously cooking now. Rocket League used to run temps under 60C but now its up to like 70C. Even when i put it down to 1080p it's running temps of 65C

 

[yeti_yeti]

It could be something else, but my GPU is seriously cooking now. Rocket League used to run temps under 60C but now its up to like 70C. Even when i put it down to 1080p it's running temps of 65C

65 degrees celsius os nothing for a graphics card, you should only worry if it hits 80-85 degrees.

 

[boju]

I agree with yeti, temps not a bother at the moment, maybe blow it out of dust if you have noticed an increase. Don't forget ambient temps also.

Couple things that come to mind that can be a bother.

Xbox dvr, check it's not re-enabled after an update, don't want that recording on you.

Fullscreen optimisation in Win10. Perhaps disable that, google the problems it can cause.

 

[J_E_D_70]

I don’t recommend spending money just because but I do love gsync. I wont say there is never a stutter but it is very rare. Gsync is soooo smooth.

 

[muthabord]

Those temps were with custom fan settings on which the fans were at about 80%. Maybe it's just the humid weather.

Does fast sync have any effect of the amount of GPU usage? Or V-sync and adaptive sync for that matter?

 

[boju]

Vsync/adaptive doesnt as the gpu waits. Triple buffering does as the gpu works to buffer frames so i think fast sync would increase usage as the gpu keeps rendering.

 

[muthabord]

Maybe that's what it is. I have both triple buffering and fast sync enabled. I heard triple buffering can help with all these problems so i thought why not.

So. Does anyone think it's worth selling and going G-sync or is the extra $300 better spent somewhere else?

 

[boju]

Triple buffering from nvcp only works in opengl, not sure about Vulkan games. Fast sync is a variant of triple buffering for directx. Can force triple buffering using 3rd party software like Rivatuner though.

Gsync is worth it, frames can jump around and dont notice it. Well i dont.

 

[bystander]

Make sure your monitor is operating at 144hz. At 144hz and no v-sync, tearing should be difficult to see, unless your FPS are staying close to 36, 72 or 144. You don't wan't your FPS and hz to match or be a divisible of it, that makes the tears appear in the same spot.

 

[muthabord]

Exchanged for G-Sync Monitor. To my surprise the problem is solved, except in Rocket League, which is actually messed up now. Currently trouble shooting Rocket League but Fallout 4 and GTA V are smooth as can be. I only really tested them for a short time though so maybe i just haven't experience the flaws or something yet.

 

[sizzling]

Just to point out you can use software to cap fps. It's not quite as good as V-Sync at reducing tearing but it does a very good job and causes no lag. Many games also have this option built in.

 

[bystander]

Just to point out you can use software to cap fps. It's not quite as good as V-Sync at reducing tearing but it does a very good job and causes no lag. Many games also have this option built in.

Capping is terrible for tearing. Capping it at your refresh rate is the absolute worst thing you can do. As it will make the tear barely move and in the same spot for a long period of time. Unless you cap it no where near the refresh rate or divisible/multiple of it, capping doesn't help in any way.

If the OP was operating at 144hz and still not ok with the tearing, G-sync is his only real option.

 

[sizzling]

Just to point out you can use software to cap fps. It's not quite as good as V-Sync at reducing tearing but it does a very good job and causes no lag. Many games also have this option built in.

Capping is terrible for tearing. Capping it at your refresh rate is the absolute worst thing you can do. As it will make the tear barely move and in the same spot for a long period of time. Unless you cap it no where near the refresh rate or divisible/multiple of it, capping doesn't help in any way.

If the OP was operating at 144hz and still not ok with the tearing, G-sync is his only real option.

Having used frame capping for at least 2 years, could be 3+ I have found it removes the vast majority of screen tearing. I will accept every setup is different and its not perfect but I found it a huge improvement over nothing and V-Sync. It was someone on Tom's who originally suggested to me. It costs nothing to try it and definitely worth trying. I agree the only true fix is G-Sync which I am hopping to upgrade too very soon having seen it and been sold on it.

 

[bystander]

Having used frame capping for at least 2 years, could be 3+ I have found it removes the vast majority of screen tearing. I will accept every setup is different and its not perfect but I found it a huge improvement over nothing and V-Sync. It was someone on Tom's who originally suggested to me. It costs nothing to try it and definitely worth trying. I agree the only true fix is G-Sync which I am hopping to upgrade too very soon having seen it and been sold on it.

I'll believe it if you are not capping it near a multiple or divisible of your refresh rate. The only reason it could help is if you were getting a FPS near there, so capping prevented you from getting too close to your refresh rate, or a divisible of it. Most people who have suggested to do this, believe that capping it at your refresh rate prevents tearing, which is very, very wrong.

 

[sizzling]

Having used frame capping for at least 2 years, could be 3+ I have found it removes the vast majority of screen tearing. I will accept every setup is different and its not perfect but I found it a huge improvement over nothing and V-Sync. It was someone on Tom's who originally suggested to me. It costs nothing to try it and definitely worth trying. I agree the only true fix is G-Sync which I am hopping to upgrade too very soon having seen it and been sold on it.

I'll believe it if you are not capping it near a multiple or divisible of your refresh rate. The only reason it could help is if you were getting a FPS near there, so capping prevented you from getting too close to your refresh rate, or a divisible of it. Most people who have suggested to do this, believe that capping it at your refresh rate prevents tearing, which is very, very wrong.

I cap at my refresh rate. It significantly reduces tearing for me but does not eliminate.