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Say you have two armies A & B staying in whatever place they are.

Are those moves legal and do they work ?

A s B
B s A

Does it allow A & B to dodge any attack of an army supported by another
one (2 units combining their force) ?

I think not but I 'd like to be sure :)

Thanks !
 
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Loul wrote:
> Say you have two armies A & B staying in whatever place they are.
>
> Are those moves legal and do they work ?


What I have to say is kind of off-topic but I think it should be said.
I like this ng so much because it has a lot of laid-back, fun-loving
veterans of the game who can talk about nitpicky rules issues, and then
almost in the same "breath" take time to explain basic situations to
newbies.

On a lot of forums this guy would have been flamed for asking. "Didn't
you read the rules? Didn't you search? Here's how to find the answer;
remember it next time." And other equally uncouth replies.

In a way, R.G.D is The September That Never Started.

--
Will Berry
Co-founder, Second Brain website hosting
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Loul <Loul@alussinan.org> writes:

> Say you have two armies A & B staying in whatever place they are.
>
> Are those moves legal and do they work ?
>
> A s B
> B s A
>
> Does it allow A & B to dodge any attack of an army supported by another
> one (2 units combining their force) ?

Yes.

> I think not but I 'd like to be sure :)

You thought wrong. You would need three units to take any of these
two. (The third either supporting or breaking support.)

So it takes three units to beat two. Isn't that logical?

--
Björn Lindström <bkhl@elektrubadur.se>
http://bkhl.elektrubadur.se/
 
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In article <s38brklgw0v.fsf@numerus.ling.uu.se>, bkhl@elektrubadur.se
says...
> > Does it allow A & B to dodge any attack of an army supported by another
> > one (2 units combining their force) ?
>
> Yes.
>
> > I think not but I 'd like to be sure :)
>
> You thought wrong. You would need three units to take any of these
> two. (The third either supporting or breaking support.)
>
> So it takes three units to beat two. Isn't that logical?

Well I thought you could only support a unit that is either attacking or
holding a position.

In the case we are studying both units are supporting units that have a
support order.
 
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"Loul" <Loul@alussinan.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b14c20eb838ccce989872@News.Individual.NET...

> Well I thought you could only support a unit that is either attacking or
> holding a position.
>
> In the case we are studying both units are supporting units that have a
> support order.

You can support any unit that is not trying to move. So you can support a
unit that is holding, supporting or convoying. Note that the support is only
good for preventing a unit from being dislodged. The support of a unit that
is itself supported can still be cut by an attack from an unsupported unit.

Derek
 
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"Derek McLachlin" <dmclachlin@videotron.ca> writes:


>"Loul" <Loul@alussinan.org> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1b14c20eb838ccce989872@News.Individual.NET...

>> Well I thought you could only support a unit that is either attacking or
>> holding a position.
>>
>> In the case we are studying both units are supporting units that have a
>> support order.

>You can support any unit that is not trying to move. So you can support a
>unit that is holding, supporting or convoying. Note that the support is only
>good for preventing a unit from being dislodged. The support of a unit that
>is itself supported can still be cut by an attack from an unsupported unit.

>Derek

But, since this is the next logical question in the sequence,
you can't support a unit to HOLD that is trying to move, but
bounces. Thus,

RUSSIA
A War-Sil
A Mos S A War

AUSTRIA
A Sil S A Ukr-War
A Ukr-War

Dislodges A War.

Jim-Bob
 
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You can support to hold any unit that is not attempting to move. You can
support the move of a unit attempting to move.

To put it a different way, if you are supporting a move by another unit, and
the unit is not ordered to make that move, the support is not effective.
Conversely, if the unit is ordered to move, and you support it to hold in
place, that support is not effective.

"Derek McLachlin" <dmclachlin@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:fPyqc.95974$1f2.1127213@weber.videotron.net...
>
> "Loul" <Loul@alussinan.org> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b14c20eb838ccce989872@News.Individual.NET...
>
> > Well I thought you could only support a unit that is either attacking or
> > holding a position.
> >
> > In the case we are studying both units are supporting units that have a
> > support order.
>
> You can support any unit that is not trying to move. So you can support a
> unit that is holding, supporting or convoying. Note that the support is
only
> good for preventing a unit from being dislodged. The support of a unit
that
> is itself supported can still be cut by an attack from an unsupported
unit.
>
> Derek
>
>
 
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Loul <Loul@alussinan.org> writes:

> Well I thought you could only support a unit that is either attacking
> or holding a position.
>
> In the case we are studying both units are supporting units that have
> a support order.

The rules explicitly state that you may support a supporting or
convoying unit.

--
Björn Lindström <bkhl@elektrubadur.se>
http://bkhl.elektrubadur.se/
 
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> RUSSIA
> A War-Sil
> A Mos S A War
>
> AUSTRIA
> A Sil S A Ukr-War
> A Ukr-War
>
> Dislodges A War.

Since this is a beginner thread, a few comments may be in order here.

First, note that the army in War moving to Sil does not cut the
support that the army in Sil is giving for the attack on War.

Second, note that if the army in Mos had ordered support for "War ->
Sil" instead of just writing support for War, then the attack on Sil
would go through. Be careful with your order writing.
 
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In article <s381xlhgsq6.fsf@numerus.ling.uu.se>, bkhl@elektrubadur.se
says...
> Loul <Loul@alussinan.org> writes:
>
> > Well I thought you could only support a unit that is either attacking
> > or holding a position.
> >
> > In the case we are studying both units are supporting units that have
> > a support order.
>
> The rules explicitly state that you may support a supporting or
> convoying unit.

Well thanks to everybody for making that clear to me :)

I've seen complex cases buth I had doubts aabout that simple one !

Have a nice day :)
 
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salmoneous@aol.com (salmoneous) wrote:

>> RUSSIA
>> A War-Sil
>> A Mos S A War
>>
>> AUSTRIA
>> A Sil S A Ukr-War
>> A Ukr-War
>>
>> Dislodges A War.
>
>Since this is a beginner thread, a few comments may be in order here.
>
>First, note that the army in War moving to Sil does not cut the
>support that the army in Sil is giving for the attack on War.
>
>Second, note that if the army in Mos had ordered support for "War ->
>Sil" instead of just writing support for War, then the attack on Sil
>would go through. Be careful with your order writing.

Except for the minor fact that Moscow _cannot_ support a move to
Silesia, since Moscow is not adjacent to Silesia.
--
Politas
To reply, replace nospam with diplomacy
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> Except for the minor fact that Moscow _cannot_ support a move to
> Silesia, since Moscow is not adjacent to Silesia.

Well, yeah, there is that. But its a beginner question. You can't
expect them to catch all the points, can you?
 
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salmoneous@aol.com (salmoneous) wrote:

>> Except for the minor fact that Moscow _cannot_ support a move to
>> Silesia, since Moscow is not adjacent to Silesia.
>
>Well, yeah, there is that. But its a beginner question. You can't
>expect them to catch all the points, can you?

I think there's some sort of rule that says any post to rgd containing
more than two statements will contain at least one error.

Thus threads are made.
--
Politas
To reply, replace nospam with diplomacy
http://www.livejournal.com/users/politas/
 
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Politas <nospam@politas.mailshell.com> writes:

>salmoneous@aol.com (salmoneous) wrote:

>>> RUSSIA
>>> A War-Sil
>>> A Mos S A War
>>>
>>> AUSTRIA
>>> A Sil S A Ukr-War
>>> A Ukr-War
>>>
>>> Dislodges A War.
>>
>>Since this is a beginner thread, a few comments may be in order here.
>>
>>First, note that the army in War moving to Sil does not cut the
>>support that the army in Sil is giving for the attack on War.
>>
>>Second, note that if the army in Mos had ordered support for "War ->
>>Sil" instead of just writing support for War, then the attack on Sil
>>would go through. Be careful with your order writing.

>Except for the minor fact that Moscow _cannot_ support a move to
>Silesia, since Moscow is not adjacent to Silesia.
>--
>Politas
>To reply, replace nospam with diplomacy
>http://www.livejournal.com/users/politas/

Which was precisely why I chose that location for the units.....
but us arguing about this (who should know what we're doing)
isn't the point..... did it help the original questioner?

Jim-Bob
 
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"Will Berry" <wberry@wberry.org.x> writes:

> I like this ng so much because it has a lot of laid-back, fun-loving
> veterans of the game who can talk about nitpicky rules issues, and then
> almost in the same "breath" take time to explain basic situations to
> newbies.

And I wholeheartedly agree. Reading and posting to rgd is an absolute
delight, and a major part of my personal enjoyment of the game of Diplomacy
and its culture. Apologies for gushing, but you guys are wonderful 🙂

Andy
 
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