Question Not sure what my bottleneck is (load depending on dx12/11 or vulkan)

[jordanthore]

Hi,
I mainly play Path of Exile (ARPG, like diablo) on a budget setup: rx580, i3-10105, 16gb ram, win10.
Since recently my performance in game has become more and more bad and I wanted to upgrade to a rx 6600.

Depending on which renderer I chose ingame dx12, dx11, vulkan, either my CPU or my GPU seems to be the bottleneck (=> reaching consistantly 100% load? )
I am aware that generally my rx580 is the bottleneck in my setup, but (apparently) Poe is Veeery cpu intensive so I don't really know what to do now.

Would appreciate any advice!

 

[boju]

Since recently my performance in game has become more and more bad

Seems performance was pretty good early on right? I mean if your hardware was sufficient before then either hardware is now throttling somehow, possibly due to heat or Windows is bloated with too much background running processes. Check these things. Perhaps do a clean reinstall Windows.

 

[jordanthore]

In process of troubleshooting I already got a new cpu cooler and did (many...) clean reinstalls of windows.
Also, POE is constantly improving and working on their engine- having insufficient hardware after a new patch/league is not that uncommon I guess.
Maybe worth mentioning? The TDP of my i3 is 65W and it barely reaches more than 50W consumption ever

 

[boju]

Is power plan in Windows on full performance? Or at least minimum processor state of 10% under balanced.

 

[jordanthore]

Yes, max. cpu load is 99% (I've heard that disables cpu-u states) and min load is random 94%.
Link-State-Management is off and System Cooling policy on.

 

[boju]

Might be game updates is the problem now.

paste %LOCALAPPDATA% in start bar and search PoE folder and delete everything inside, leave the folder.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hey there,

First things first, forget the term 'bottleneck'. It's irrelevant nearly. There will always be some component in a system that lags behind.

It's okay for your GPU to be pegged at 100%. This means it's pushing out as many FPS as your CPU can feed it. That's normal.

CPU usage is different. You've a decent enough CPU with 4c/8t. If your CPU is pegged at 100% you will have stutters.

 

[jordanthore]

Might be game updates is the problem now.

paste %LOCALAPPDATA% in start bar and search PoE folder and delete everything inside, leave the folder.

Ty for helping
The game has not been played more than 1h total (testing) since last windows reinstall. Additionally, I am processing the vulkan shadercache via RAMDISK with my ram, which definitely helped a bit. But I feel like that was more a sideeffect rather than a fix of the actual problem

 

[jordanthore]

Hey there,

First things first, forget the term 'bottleneck'. It's irrelevant nearly. There will always be some component in a system that lags behind.

It's okay for your GPU to be pegged at 100%. This means it's pushing out as many FPS as your CPU can feed it. That's normal.

CPU usage is different. You've a decent enough CPU with 4c/8t. If your CPU is pegged at 100% you will have stutters.

Ohh so basically you never want your CPU to peak 100% load ideally? What external factors outside of the CPU itself could cause that? (cpu barely reaches more than 50°C so the cooling should be fine. Running at 4200Mhz constantly)

edit:
I'm testing Palworld right now and reaching 83°C+ with my GPU when its running in background with 50% RPM. That doesn't seem normal does it?

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Ohh so basically you never want your CPU to peak 100% load ideally? What external factors outside of the CPU itself could cause that? (cpu barely reaches more than 50°C so the cooling should be fine. Running at 4200Mhz constantly)

Yes, ideally.

Other potential causes would be the ram. If there's isn't enough your system will use a pagefile/swap file on your storage, which is much slower than ram. This can also cause stuttering. You can check your ram runs okay with Memtest86+.

Other common causes of stuttering are bugs in a system bios. Sometimes, doing the bios update helps.

 

[jordanthore]

Yes, ideally.

Other potential causes would be the ram. If there's isn't enough your system will use a pagefile/swap file on your storage, which is much slower than ram. This can also cause stuttering. You can check your ram runs okay with Memtest86+.

Other common causes of stuttering are bugs in a system bios. Sometimes, doing the bios update helps.

Thx for trying to help first of all.
I've done a 2round memtest and bios is up to date

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Did you clear CMOS aftre bios update?

 

[jordanthore]

No! Necessary?