Now I want to stage a battle in a bamboo forest

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On 24 May 2004 19:04:41 -0700, smilinglord@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega)
raised a finger to the sky and proclaimed:

>[snip ranting]
>
>D'oh!! Sorry, D&Ders...caught the crossposting too late, meant that
>for the WW crowd. Apologies; you can go back to your abnormally
>high-numbered dice now!^__^
>
>Dex
>Drat and double-drat, as Stephenls would say...

*Everyone* knows that dice were meant to go from 1 to 2, as God
intended.

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Mouse <mail141023@pop.net.invalid> wrote:
>smilinglord@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega) wrote:
>>[snip ranting]
>>D'oh!! Sorry, D&Ders...caught the crossposting too late, meant that
>>for the WW crowd. Apologies; you can go back to your abnormally
>>high-numbered dice now!^__^
>
>*Everyone* knows that dice were meant to go from 1 to 2, as God
>intended.

Don't you mean "from 0 to 1"?

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Shu Lien can walk on walls.

 

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"pikathulhu" <pikapika@thulhu.net> wrote:

> Shu Lien can walk on walls.

Hm. I think I remember her running up a corner, alternating
walls Jackie Chan-style, but not flying. IIRC she pulls Jen
back down to her repeatedly during the first fight until Jen
escapes flying straight up a wall that Shu Lien can't follow.

Jackie Chan makes an interesting parallel; up until recently,
his style's been incredible but /possible/. In The Medallion
and The Tuxedo, he has been doing some flying of his own, but
even in the story it was with the aid of magic or technology.

Maybe I am seeing things, but it seems to me that much of the
time, there's some reason characters can perform wirework, be
it they're in a computer generated world (The Matrix), or are
mutants (X-Men). In most of the wuxia I've seen, and I admit
I haven't made an exhaustive survey, it's rare for someone to
be able to 'fly' even when everyone seems to know martial arts.
Only students of powerful and secret martial arts or monks who
have devoted their lives to studying it can do stuff like that.

I've seen exceptions (I seem to recall another film that had a
fight in a bamboo forest in which ninja-like assassins flitted
about the foliage), but don't expect me to provide on examples
that undermine my point. 😉

Regardless, I should've watched it again to refresh my memory
before posting. Looks like tonight's movie-night at my house.


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Vis Sierra <visitant@geocities.com> wrote:
> "pikathulhu" <pikapika@thulhu.net> wrote:

> > Shu Lien can walk on walls.
>
> Hm. I think I remember her running up a corner, alternating
> walls Jackie Chan-style, but not flying. IIRC she pulls Jen
> back down to her repeatedly during the first fight until Jen
> escapes flying straight up a wall that Shu Lien can't follow.

Damn. You're right. I'm wrong.

I hate it when that happens.

The first fight does make it clear that she knows more about
Wudan fighting than your average fighter, but I can't really
make an argument that she picked up any of that secret knowledge
I was going on about from Li Mu Bai.

Well...it was a good theory while it lasted.


Vis Sierra

 

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Vis Sierra <visitant@geocities.com> wrote in message news:<7448b0d179ul4a72m9jrddt8dj8cma2u68@4ax.com>...

> Jackie Chan makes an interesting parallel; up until recently,
> his style's been incredible but /possible/. In The Medallion
> and The Tuxedo, he has been doing some flying of his own, but
> even in the story it was with the aid of magic or technology.

Haven't seen The Tuxedo, but in The Medallaion, Chan is clearly doing
wirework
even *before* he gets the damned thing; one of MANY reasons I detested
that movie...
>
> Maybe I am seeing things, but it seems to me that much of the
> time, there's some reason characters can perform wirework, be
> it they're in a computer generated world (The Matrix), or are
> mutants (X-Men).

In *good* movies, this is true. Unfortunately, it seems many Hollywood
execs just figured "Hey, people liked it when they flew in the Matrix
and Crouching Tiger, right? So make `em fly here!"

Actually, I'd argue that even just being a mutant shouldn't allow one
to defy gravity or physics, unless that is provided for by one's
power, not just the fact that one is Heroic. This is leaving aside the
atrocious wire choreography in the X-movie (I still shudder when
watching that Mystique scene...).

> In most of the wuxia I've seen, and I admit
> I haven't made an exhaustive survey, it's rare for someone to
> be able to 'fly' even when everyone seems to know martial arts.
> Only students of powerful and secret martial arts or monks who
> have devoted their lives to studying it can do stuff like that.
>
Eh, I've seen a few. There's no indication that Maggie Cheung's
character in Dragon Inn had any special training, but she can Do The
Dew. I'm willing to give Eastern period films a little more slack in
this regard...

> I've seen exceptions (I seem to recall another film that had a
> fight in a bamboo forest in which ninja-like assassins flitted
> about the foliage), but don't expect me to provide on examples
> that undermine my point. 😉
>
<G>

> Regardless, I should've watched it again to refresh my memory
> before posting. Looks like tonight's movie-night at my house.
>
What HK flicks do you have?

Dex,
noting that The Vampire Effect is now available here...

 

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"Hand-of-Omega" <smilinglord@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Vis Sierra <visitant@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:<7448b0d179ul4a72m9jrddt8dj8cma2u68@4ax.com>...
>
> > Jackie Chan makes an interesting parallel; up until recently,
> > his style's been incredible but /possible/. In The Medallion
> > and The Tuxedo, he has been doing some flying of his own, but
> > even in the story it was with the aid of magic or technology.
>
> Haven't seen The Tuxedo, but in The Medallaion, Chan is clearly doing
> wirework
> even *before* he gets the damned thing; one of MANY reasons I detested
> that movie...
> >
> > Maybe I am seeing things, but it seems to me that much of the
> > time, there's some reason characters can perform wirework, be
> > it they're in a computer generated world (The Matrix), or are
> > mutants (X-Men).
>
> In *good* movies, this is true. Unfortunately, it seems many Hollywood
> execs just figured "Hey, people liked it when they flew in the Matrix
> and Crouching Tiger, right? So make `em fly here!"
>
> Actually, I'd argue that even just being a mutant shouldn't allow one
> to defy gravity or physics, unless that is provided for by one's
> power, not just the fact that one is Heroic.

<snip>

I think that's an SoD issue one is always going to run into when dealing
with movies set in comic book milieux - the simple fact of the matter is
that in comic book worlds, physics *do* bend if you're sufficiently stylish.
It's not uncommon, for example, for ostensibly human characters to perform
minor feats of superhuman strength and endurance simply by virtue of being
Just That Badass (tm).

- David Prokopetz.

 

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Hong Ooi wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:41:41 -0700, Stephenls <stephenls@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Hong Ooi wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well, that could be fun too.
>>
>>>But really, after the love that Hero is getting from the Exalted fans here
>>>and on RPGnet, how is this not relevant to agww?
>>
>>Oh, it's completely relevant.
>>
>>I'm just wondering how it's relevant to D&D. Everyone knows you can't
>>use D&D to simulate that sort of thing.
>
>
> This demonstrates a *CLEAR* and *ABSOLUTE* lack of *UNDERSTANDING* about
> the underlying paradigm of D&D. HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE RULEBOOKS, *MORON*?
> And are you even *AWARE* of the current *ASTERISK* SHORTAGE?
>
> Hong "... or were you being serious?" Ooi

Pfah. D&D is a munchkin wankfest. "Oooh, looky, I has me a sword plus
TEN!!"

Besides, my second-generation True Brujah Antitribu / Black Spiral
Dancer Ronin Abomination could SO kick their asses.
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