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and I have to say I really like it, though more for intercept than for
rush.

Government Event

During the first combat between an acting vampire and a blocking
vampire each turn, neither combatant may end combat as a strike in the
first round. A Methuselah may use a discard phase action to burn this
card if his or her minions attempted no actions in the current turn.
 
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Kevin Walsh wrote:
> and I have to say I really like it, though more for intercept than
for
> rush.
>
> Government Event
>
> During the first combat between an acting vampire and a blocking
> vampire each turn, neither combatant may end combat as a strike in
the
> first round. A Methuselah may use a discard phase action to burn this
> card if his or her minions attempted no actions in the current turn.

yes, indeed... as a friend said, weenie decks just had a really nice
boost when compared to decks that use less minions.

but i have to say that the cards has the best art in the set up to now
(quite close to what is rumored to be ambrogino adv) imo.

cheers
Luciano "Baital" de Sampaio
VEKN Anarch Baron de Curitiba
VEKN Baali Clan Newsletter Editor
 
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The_Baital wrote:

> yes, indeed... as a friend said, weenie decks just had a really nice
> boost when compared to decks that use less minions.

I'm missing something. How does this card help weenies enough to be a
'really nice boost'? Barring weenie potence-rush-without-IG, most
weenie decks don't seem to use S:CE nor care if their opponent does..
the 'crunch all you want, we'll make more' theory.

-John Flournoy
 
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"Kevin Walsh" <hjalkar@redbrick.dcu.ie> a écrit dans le message de news:
1108154541.387889.184620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> and I have to say I really like it, though more for intercept than for
> rush.
>
> Government Event
>
> During the first combat between an acting vampire and a blocking
> vampire each turn, neither combatant may end combat as a strike in the
> first round. A Methuselah may use a discard phase action to burn this
> card if his or her minions attempted no actions in the current turn.

It is already a monstruosity.

It means a deck based on S:CE with a walling prey won't move for at least
the turn when this card was played (and won't discard).

Now, Combat really rules. Not sure what I think about it, really...

------------
Orpheus, Necromonger
 
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The_Baital <subvertion@gmail.com> wrote:
: yes, indeed... as a friend said, weenie decks just had a really nice
: boost when compared to decks that use less minions.

Hmm.. I'm pretty certain my Lunatic Eruptions decks will positively love
this :)

//T
 
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Peter D Bakija wrote:
> How is this going to improve combat significantly? It'll allow a
Gangrel or
> Tzimiscee wall deck the ability to securely kill someone they block.
Which
> they could already do with Rotschreck.

Discard Phase Actions are cheaper than Master Phase Actions, IMO.
Besides, the Nosferatu don't have the same agg damage options as the
Gangrel or Tzimisce, and also do wall decks.
 
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i might have been unclear about my thoughts on weenie (and those of my
friend) benefittin from this....actually, what i meant is that weenie
decks are gonna go over this with less impact than higher-capped
vampires decks when intercepted...

cheers
Luciano "Baital" de Sampaio
VEKN Anarch Baron de Curitiba
VEKN Baali Clan Newsletter Editor
 
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James Coupe wrote:
> But, in general, the Nosferatu already have good anti-S:CE tech, in
the
> form of Immortal Grapple.
>

Unless you're using Bats, Gates, Cailean with Mark V, etc. Besides, I
don't think it's useless in a deck that has Immortal Grapple or Psyche!
(and it's certainly cheaper than Thoughts Betrayed). You can play it
when you haven't drawn your Rushes, and if your prey or predator spends
a turn getting rid of it, then you've probably made a net gain.

> I think it's a nice card, but I also think it's well done so that
it's
> not insane.
>
I agree. I'm not saying it has the power level of Dragonbound, but it
doesn't have the cost of Dragonbound either. Nor is it as likely to
backfire as Absimiliard's Army or The New Inquisition.
 
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Kevin Walsh wrote:

> Discard Phase Actions are cheaper than Master Phase Actions, IMO.
> Besides, the Nosferatu don't have the same agg damage options as the
> Gangrel or Tzimisce, and also do wall decks.

The Nosferatu have Immortal Grapple. They don't need alternative S:CE
hosers.


Peter D Bakija
pdb6@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6

"How does this end?"
"In fire."
Emperor Turhan and Kosh
 
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In message <1108205605.468094.190200@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Kevin Walsh <hjalkar@redbrick.dcu.ie> writes:
<snip - wall decks using Rotschreck>
>Besides, the Nosferatu don't have the same agg damage options as the
>Gangrel or Tzimisce, and also do wall decks.

But, in general, the Nosferatu already have good anti-S:CE tech, in the
form of Immortal Grapple.

Sure, this is unlikely to hurt, but a lot of people are just going to
spend the turn getting rid of it. And, if it affects someone else on
the table too, that person may not be your predator/prey.

I think it's a nice card, but I also think it's well done so that it's
not insane.

--
James Coupe "Why do so many talented people turn out to be sexual
PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D deviants? Why can't they just be normal like me and
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 look at internet pictures of men's cocks all day?"
13D7E668C3695D623D5D -- www.livejournal.com/users/scarletdemon/
 
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James Coupe wrote:

> I think it's a nice card, but I also think it's well done so that it's
> not insane.

I think it is a perfectly reasonable card--kind of interesting, likely to be
occasiponally helpful, will probably see play on a regular basis.

But hardly the card that it has been so far hyperbolically described as.


Peter D Bakija
pdb6@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6

"How does this end?"
"In fire."
Emperor Turhan and Kosh
 
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Kevin Walsh wrote:

> Unless you're using Bats, Gates, Cailean with Mark V, etc.

Sure. But these decks have done pretty well historically anyway. The *need*
to foil S:CE only comes from being in a situation where you need to be able
to kill with impunity, 'cause if you don't, you get ousted. Or you can't
oust your prey. Intercept decks don't so much need to worry about this,
'cause:

A) They block actions, so they can stop bleeds and things that make them
lose pool. Their need to consistiently and reliably torporize folks is
moderately low. Being able to torp someone with impunity is nice, but not
being able to do that isn't likely to cost you the game, like it is a Rush
deck.

B) They choose strikes second, so they waste fewer cards when their opponent
plays S:CE.

Having a solid way to deal with S:CE mostly is an albatross around the neck
of a Rush deck (i.e. a deck that plans on ousting folks, primarily, by
killing their vampires, and defending themselves, primarily, by killing
vampires). Cailean with a Mark V and 3 or 4 Raven Spies doesn't really
*need* to deal with S:CE--you block something, set long, and shoot for 4,
maybe playing a Trap or something along the way. If they Majesty, no big
deal, as you are going to untap and block their next action anway due to a
Cat's Guidance or Forced or Eternal Vigilance. When you can torp folks,
awsome! But not doing so all the time isn't that big of a deal.

I mean, again, this card isn't going to hurt such a deck. It might actually
help it some. But it isn't going to make a huge difference (as some people
involved in the discussion seemed to be under the impression of).

> I agree. I'm not saying it has the power level of Dragonbound, but it
> doesn't have the cost of Dragonbound either. Nor is it as likely to
> backfire as Absimiliard's Army or The New Inquisition.

It is certainly a reasonable, if slightly corner case, card. At worst, it'll
make your predator not take any actions for a turn. At best, it'll let you
kill a few extra vampires.


Peter D Bakija
pdb6@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6

"How does this end?"
"In fire."
Emperor Turhan and Kosh
 
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