NV skimping on FSAA

phial

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turns out there isnt much difference from 2x AA and 4x AA on GF4TI cards , especially when using 4x.xx drivers

i didnt kow this at first , but it was brought to my attention when i was trying it out in my favorite game, Anarchy Online.

virticle jaggies were untouched with even 4X FSAA.


<A HREF="http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=160920" target="_new"> People at NVnews are experienceing the same thing. </A>

one guy used "FSAA Tester", the thing reviews sometimes use to show what pattern the FSAA engine uses when sampling, and saw that there actually was NO difference in teh way it samples 2x and 4x FSAA


kinda funny, dont cha think?



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phial

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so none of you GF4TI owners even care that your card only does 2x and 4XS Anti Aliasing, with minimal vertical jaggy reduction even on the highest settings?



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You running direct-x 9?

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I would think it would depend on the particular game. Be it 2X 4X does it really matter, because it has always been an extreme performance killer for me anyway and I would think the same for others.
 

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yes, 9.0a because a few games require it


jiffy: thats beside teh point. were told these cards have 4XAA and people have tested it and found the sampling pattern to be the same as 2xAA , or so close that they cant tell a difference

i CAN use 4x AA in <A HREF="http://www.anarchy-online.com/" target="_new">AO </A> because teh game engine is aging. it still looks beautiful, but it doenst use shaders .. its demanding because of the vast open spaces. but still teh GF4TI is enough to run with 4xAA.

so , im kinda pisseed at not getting something the card is advertised as having

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Sorry man, just most people don't jack off to a fuzzed edge vs. a jaggy edge. Reminds me of the scene in Analyze that where De Niro says What have I been jacking off to in jail, home made food? Ooooo, tuna caseroll. Same thing here. I'm giving my friend's Ti4200 a test drive on my comp and could care less.

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jesus Flamethrower go away

i DO like FSAA because the game that i put the most time into has slow moving scenes with very highly highly detailed landscapes. not fast moving scenes like in a first person shooter

oh but im sorry. i forgot that the way YOU like your video settings is the best way, and so everyone should not have their own preferences. im sorry dood

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I’ve had Nv cards up to the GF4 and hardly ever used AA, just left it on auto. Sure 2X and 4X are very close. I always felt the AA was broking or something and it’s no surprise the AA sucks on Nv. Now of days I might try to use 2x or 4x and maybe a little AF and I end up overclocking my card to try to get some more juice out of it. Which is a joke, because no matter what I can only get the picture so good, before the game starts to get unplayable. I think the FX has a similar problem. That’s why I change my mind and will get another ATi card. While playing Facing Worlds on UT, with my GF4 no matter what setting I can look over to the other building and see steps all over the place. Then I tried it with the ATi card and it was 100% improvement.
 

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i have a 17" monitor, and i play at 1024x768 because i have to have 85hz refresh rate, beacuse i usually play in the dark for 5 hour stretches. ifi dont, i get a headache real quick

thanks for your support btw. instead of just assuming im flaming Nvidia for no reason, like other people

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phial

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reading that thread at Nvnews, apparently its a driver problem, going back to 40.72 Dets have proper working AA


what?! look again! its Nvidia scamming benchmarks by making their cards do less work then they are supposed to! what a suprise ( YES this looks fanATIc, but FVCK, its the DAMNED TRUTH. you CANT tell me its a mistake or a bug ffs. now i have to use quite old drivers and risk stability and compatibility to get my card to do what its supposed to)

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i have a 17" monitor, and i play at 1024x768 because i have to have 85hz refresh rate, beacuse i usually play in the dark for 5 hour stretches. ifi dont, i get a headache real quick
I heaved once after playing dungeon keeper 2 for 3 hours at 60Hz. It was totally the refresh rate's fault.

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Thinking of 8 of my friends who know their way with computers, none of em use AA. And then when we goto people who know less, you'll find the majority don't use AA.

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phial

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but i do. and the specs support it. but it doesnt do it. so its a lie.

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Flamethrower, your 8 knowledgable friends then either dont have the horsepower to use it, or are complete morons.

Phial is right, AA is tha shiznat, and his points are valid.

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You see that is an opinion. Hmm, cars can do 180 mph, do we drive em that fast? No. Same thing here, in many cases it's an unecessary feature that only you uber l337 comp nerds care about.

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phial

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so , if the next NV card you buy advertises 16 AF, but doesnt actually do it, you wouldnt be disapponited?


the main point of this, is the lies. im not gettin what i paid for

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heya Phial;

This is interesting, because i have found there is actually a difference in quality between the 2x and 4x anti-aliasing on my specific card...i dunno about others, i have two Asus GF4 cards, and they display properly at both levels, i tested it just now by running the nvidia screen saver, ya know the ultra high quality 3D screen saver off of their website, the Orb one. try doing that and setting the settings accordingly and see how it looks, use the texture sharpening in conjunction with the Anti-aliasing and see how it looks, when i applied the settings the 4x anti-aliasing definately improved the quality, it took out about 90% of the jaggies, maybe its just your card, i used the screen saver for the purpose that its extreme high quality, and easy to look at and scrutinize, as the graphics rotate very slowely and you can really get a good look, give it a try and see what you think!

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AA is nice to have. I never had an AA capable card until about six months ago (R9000 Pro); 2X AA on Ati cards really does make a difference at 1024x768 etc., especially on games like Il2:Sturmovik where there are lots of static objects (virtual cockpits etc.)

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Captainnemo on 07/21/03 04:19 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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See, the thing is, Flame bases all his opinions on his damn friends. Whether it be ATi's bad drivers or AA statistics, he bases all of it on his surroundings. Oh and that includes CARS.

Goddamn it this guy is without his own objectiveness.

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phial

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what drivers are you using Xeen?

in 43.xx version or higher (including the newest WHQL) many people are experiencing what i am with FSAA.

i went back to 40.72 (which are faster) and FSAA worked great. but, they have stability problems with some games i play..... and big texture errors in Anarchy Online. so im using the newest ones.

and unfortunately, i cant use FSAA! even tho i payed money for a card that is advertised as having it!

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