News Nvidia denies allegations that laptop RTX 50 GPUs are also missing ROPs

[Admin]

RTX 50 series laptop GPUs are reportedly missing ROPs, just like the RTX 5090, RTX 5080, and RTX 5070 Ti. However, Nvidia has countered these reports, stating there are (at the very least no longer) any problems with them.

Nvidia denies allegations that laptop RTX 50 GPUs are also missing ROPs : Read more

 

[thestryker]

Yeah this is about as believable as when they didn't include the 5080 in their initial acknowledgement. As far as I'm aware the mobile parts use the same die as desktop but tend to be a tier down. That means mobile 5090s would be using GB203 and the rest likely GB205/206. While I'd believe no customers will see laptops that have GPUs with missing ROPs it's completely unbelievable that the issue didn't happen there too.

 

[tamalero]

Yeah this is about as believable as when they didn't include the 5080 in their initial acknowledgement. As far as I'm aware the mobile parts use the same die as desktop but tend to be a tier down. That means mobile 5090s would be using GB203 and the rest likely GB205/206. While I'd believe no customers will see laptops that have GPUs with missing ROPs it's completely unbelievable that the issue didn't happen there too.

I agree. I do not trust nvidia.
The 5080 fiasco showcased they either are inept, which I do not think so. Or they are willingly using harvested dies with defective parts on purpose to fill the gaps while moving all great silicon to datacenter.

 

[King_V]

At the risk of overusing the meme:

Spoiler: But still quite appropriate

 

[Pierce2623]

It’s easy to claim they’re “unaffected” when you catch it just in time and mysteriously push back back the release date for “completely unrelated” issues lol. Of course that doesn’t make you look any less foolish when all the other factors are painting that exact picture SMH.

 

[atomicWAR]

There is a lot of "Trust me bruh!" coming from Nvidia lately only to find out the vengeance demon is lying through its teeth. Yeah sorry Nvidia but you're on my naughty list for at least a gen or two like Intel with CPUs. AMD might need to build mind-share in the GPU space but lately Nvidia has been short sighted and kicking rocks with their mind-share like a bored kid on a gravel ridden road. Its just plain stupid and I truly hope it bites them in the back side to the tune of 30 to 40% in the mid range. Maybe then we'll see some sanity return to GPU space but considering AMD has already announced price hikes on their just released and sold out 9070 series, it is unlikely to happen any time soon.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

Yeah this is about as believable as when they didn't include the 5080 in their initial acknowledgement. As far as I'm aware the mobile parts use the same die as desktop but tend to be a tier down. That means mobile 5090s would be using GB203 and the rest likely GB205/206. While I'd believe no customers will see laptops that have GPUs with missing ROPs it's completely unbelievable that the issue didn't happen there too.

I believe both the laptop 5090 and 5080 use GB203, 5070 Ti uses GB205, and 5070 uses GB206. So, we know for certain that GB202 and GB203 had issues with missing ROPS. I'm not aware of any confirmed reports of RTX 5070 (GB205) having any missing ROPS, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The whole situation is very weird. Something went wrong to have chips get an extra ROPS cluster disabled. It would have been far better to explicitly state what happened IMO. "We had a misconfigured line that had the wrong ROPS values and it affected a batch of chips" would have been far more believable than a nebulous "less than 0.5% were affected" claim with no indication of what actually went wrong.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

Huang spends more money on his leather jackets than Nvidia do on QC it appears. What a total fluster cluck of a launch, far worse than Arrow-to-the-head Lake. When AMD can come up smelling roses and not screw up a launch, you know how badly things are going for Nvidia, a company that now has total disregard or even contempt for desktop users.

 

[thestryker]

The whole situation is very weird. Something went wrong to have chips get an extra ROPS cluster disabled. It would have been far better to explicitly state what happened IMO. "We had a misconfigured line that had the wrong ROPS values and it affected a batch of chips" would have been far more believable than a nebulous "less than 0.5% were affected" claim with no indication of what actually went wrong.

Yeah the missing ROPs doesn't really happen by accident, and the 5080 being affected confirms that since it's a fully enabled die. That means at some point this design was intentional and while they don't need to necessarily get into the details something beyond "trust us" would go a long way.

Originally I thought maybe it was something like the OEM 3050, but it doesn't really make sense that it would only affect ROPs if they were doing some form of die salvaging.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

But would you -really- recommend an RTX 5000 series laptop over an RTX 4000 series on sale now?

 

[fybyfyby]

Thats not a problem. Another fake frame solved it.

 

[das_stig]

What I find is wrong with this incident, is NV having their partners or even the end customers be the ones who have to report the issues and get exchanges.
NV should know what batches are or suspect are faulty and do a general recall, but no, they expect others to clean up their mess, costing them time and money.
How did this get through quality control is another big question that NV needs to be honest about.

 

[dalek1234]

So Nvidia claims laptop GPU's aren't affected becasue Nvidia plans to stop the affected ones from reaching customers. Yes, Nvidia, that is sound, circular logic,

The thing is, they will not be able to catch all the affected ones, so sooner or later somebody will report that their laptop GPU has missing ROPs, and we will have proof that Nvidia lied again;

 

[Pierce2623]

Huang spends more money on his leather jackets than Nvidia do on QC it appears. What a total fluster cluck of a launch, far worse than Arrow-to-the-head Lake. When AMD can come up smelling roses and not screw up a launch, you know how badly things are going for Nvidia, a company that now has total disregard or even contempt for desktop users.

And he only buys one jacket a year…..