News Nvidia GeForce RTX 3000 Super Graphics Cards Rumored for Early 2022

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If Nvidia follows the same blueprint as it did with its Turing-based cards, we could see a GeForce RTX 3060 Super, GeForce RTX 3070 Super and a GeForce RTX 3080 Super.
With the Ti's released this year, I don't see how Nvidia can make super versions of any of these unless they replace the entire stack or remove the original 3070/3080/3090 and put the super versions above the Ti versions and also release a 3090 Super.
 

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That's basically what they did with the RTX 2000 supers. They discontinued all the non supers, except the 2060.
The RTX 20 stack was 2060, 2070,2080, 2080ti, with the 2080ti being way faster than the 2080. So they got rid of the originals except the 2080ti and replaced them with Supers, the 2080 Super still being well slower than the 2080Ti.

The RTX 30 stack currently has 3060, 3060ti, 3070, 3070ti,3080,3080ti,3090. Where do the Supers go? They aren't going to get rid of the Ti's they just released, so the originals go away and then what? Release Supers that are the same speed as the originals? If they make the Supers faster than the Ti's, then the 3080 Super is going to be faster than the 3090 as there is no room for another performance tier between the 3080Ti and 3090. They can make the supers Ti's with double the RAM, but seeing as there would be no performance improvement in almost all cases, what would be the point? They'd still need to add increased performance somewhere.
 

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Expensive high end cards have gotten very disintegrating to me. I already have a good gaming GPU, but what can I put in PC for my parents to edit YouTube videos?
I would be much more excited to hear what they can do with mainstream cards priced in the $100-300 range.
Where is a desktop RTX 3050, or GTX 1750?
Toss a NVENC coprocessor into literally any new card with 2GB+ GDDR. I don't care. Just put something new out for the 90% of people that don't need cutting edge gaming on their PC.
Heck, I'd be more interested to finally get a release date and pricing for the GT 1010, which they announced 7 months ago.
 
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I would be much more excited to hear what they can do with mainstream cards priced in the $100-300 range.
Where is a desktop RTX 3050, or GTX 1750?
Where is the wafer capacity coming from? Nvidia can't keep up with demand for $2000 cards, what's the point of wasting their time trying to produce a "mass market" GPU for $150 they have no where near the capacity to properly produce?
 
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To raise prices.
Nvidia doesn't care about performance right now; they care about cutting features (ie LHR) and raising MSRP while minimizing outrage.
By next year, I would expect availability to be pretty decent for high end GPU's, especially if Ethereum finally switches to proof of stake or is close enough that people are preparing for it. That will make the market much more sensitive to price/performance.
 
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So glad I bought the RTX5700XT when I did. I only play in 1080p and so far it has ran everything full settings with no problems. Was waiting on one of the 3060s but scalpers forced my hand. I can comfortably wait for the next generation of GPUs before I consider upgrading. This generation is just a mess.
 
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The RTX 20 stack was 2060, 2070,2080, 2080ti, with the 2080ti being way faster than the 2080. So they got rid of the originals except the 2080ti and replaced them with Supers, the 2080 Super still being well slower than the 2080Ti

The 3070 Ti maxed out the die. So, it would have to be on the 3080 die with less cores than 3080. Otherwise, maybe just bios improvement or higher power limit.

Either way, with copper prices up and wafers low, It would be better to spend time securing supplies and production time.
 
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Timewise, the release of the 3000 series Ti's matches when the 2000 series Supers were released. So, I would be surprised if they did it. I think they were just checking boxes to preserve legal rights to the "Super" moniker for graphics cards as a mark for future products. Remember, with respect to Trademarks, the law in the US is quite clear - USE IT OR LOOSE IT.
 

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Seems Super versions will be released to keep prices up. When crypto bubble will burst again due to banning and Ethereum model switching, Nvidia will remove non-super RTX 30xx cards from market as they did with 20xx non-Super line before and will put super ones instead for doubled price.
 
Expensive high end cards have gotten very disintegrating to me. I already have a good gaming GPU, but what can I put in PC for my parents to edit YouTube videos?
I would be much more excited to hear what they can do with mainstream cards priced in the $100-300 range.
Where is a desktop RTX 3050, or GTX 1750?
Toss a NVENC coprocessor into literally any new card with 2GB+ GDDR. I don't care. Just put something new out for the 90% of people that don't need cutting edge gaming on their PC.
Heck, I'd be more interested to finally get a release date and pricing for the GT 1010, which they announced 7 months ago.
I'm waiting for a 6600xt or 6600 60 fps on high @ 1080P is just fine for me. Hell a desktop 3050ti with more than 4GB would be fine with me
 

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Seems Super versions will be released to keep prices up. When crypto bubble will burst again due to banning and Ethereum model switching, Nvidia will remove non-super RTX 30xx cards from market as they did with 20xx non-Super line before and will put super ones instead for doubled price.
The Supers for the 20xx were cheaper than their original counterpart. The only thing that can keep GPU prices inflated is mining, because the only way the market will pay $800+ for a gaming GPU is if at least some of the cost can be offset by the monetary return of mining. The mass market isn't going to pay for artificial cost boosters like twice the memory on a card that won't benefit for it. Surely Nvidia knows this and hasn't forgotten about how sales of the original 20xx series went.
 
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Nvidia should stop this new product nonsense and work on getting their supply stabilized for existing Ampere cards. It has been like 9 months now since Ampere was released, and supply is still crap. Then they talk about the "Super" refresh, which is nothing super and may end up with bad availability. And truth to be told, looking at where each product sits now, the performance uplift with the refresh is not going to be meaningful. If you are an Ampere card owner, or if you think that Ampere is not bringing a good performance uplift, I doubt the "Super" cards will excite you.
 

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Doube the VRAM for the Supers would also be an option. 3080 Super 20GB, 3070 Super 16GB, 3060 Super 12GB... wait, that already exists! LOL
They aren't going to put more RAM on the Super than is on the Ti. The 3060 12gb was an anomaly based on the 192 bit bus that makes it more practical to release with 12gb than 6gb. The 3080 Ti only has 12gb, so how can they release a 3080 Super with 20? That would also put pressure on the memory supply line, which could cause delays in production and price hikes.
 
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