News Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti: Where to Buy

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Thanks for the list! :) Good to see everything in one place like this.
I'm hoping the MSI Ventus might still be in stock in about a month when I can afford it, but I'm definitely not gonna get my hopes up.
 
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I'm pleased that all of the linked cards appear to still be in stock many hours after launch. This is a great rejection of an underwhelming and overpriced 70-level card. I'm hoping gamers continue to reject the 4070 and we see investors panic and put pressure on Nvidia to lower prices (I don't think Nvidia cares what consumers think).
 

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Lower the price to something reasonable, stop being greedy NVIDIA and maybe people will care again.

Not gonna happen. They just release low end option to people who can not afford these. So how about 4050 at $500? Is that cheap enough? Not, well we will release 1060 at $400, is that cheap enough. No? Well then we have this premium 1030 for $300! Only for you! The mnore you buy the more you save!

So no, I don´t expect orices to come down, I expect them to release weaker GPUs to answer the price problem. Anything to keep margins high!
 

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This is a great rejection of an underwhelming and overpriced 70-level card.
The new cards aren't underwhelming: they do provide better performance per dollar than previous generations with the 4070Ti performing as good as the 3090s in most cases for $400 less. The only problem is the absurd price points getting pushed down the product branding stack.

Nvidia would have faced much less harsh criticism if it didn't nudge its product branding stack two price tiers up all at once. Had the RTX4090 been launched as the RTX4090Ti, the 4080 branded 4090 instead, 4070Ti as the $800 RTX4080, etc., people would likely have been fine with it.

Nvidia (and AMD) have mainly screwed themselves over with the razzle-dazzle of marketing "groundbreaking gen-on-gen branding performance" without regard for price points, possibly because the crypto boom was still going strong back when the engineering and marketing decisions were made.
 

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The new cards aren't underwhelming: they do provide better performance per dollar than previous generations with the 4070Ti performing as good as the 3090s in most cases for $400 less.

3090 also had 24GB of GDDR6X and a 384-bit memory bus, vs 4070 Ti's 12GB and 192-bit one... back in 2020.

Not to mention that it was released during the COVID GPU shortage and the crypto-boom, so its MSRP is not exactly the golden standard of fair GPU pricing.
 
3090 also had 24GB of GDDR6X and a 384-bit memory bus, vs 4070 Ti's 12GB and 192-bit one... back in 2020.

Not to mention that it was released during the COVID GPU shortage and the crypto-boom, so its MSRP is not exactly the golden standard of fair GPU pricing.
3090 was $1499 before the crypto boom. It sold for $2500-$3000 during most of 2021 to early 2022, so the MSRP in that sense was meaningless, other than being an indication of what Nvidia initially planned to charge. 3080 Ti was priced higher due to the crypto boom, since it came out mid-2021. Same with 3070 Ti. And 3090 Ti as well, except the boom was basically over by then and that's why Nvidia dropped the price to $1099 back in ~June.
 
The new cards aren't underwhelming: they do provide better performance per dollar than previous generations with the 4070Ti performing as good as the 3090s in most cases for $400 less. The only problem is the absurd price points getting pushed down the product branding stack.

Nvidia would have faced much less harsh criticism if it didn't nudge its product branding stack two price tiers up all at once. Had the RTX4090 been launched as the RTX4090Ti, the 4080 branded 4090 instead, 4070Ti as the $800 RTX4080, etc., people would likely have been fine with it.

Nvidia (and AMD) have mainly screwed themselves over with the razzle-dazzle of marketing "groundbreaking gen-on-gen branding performance" without regard for price points, possibly because the crypto boom was still going strong back when the engineering and marketing decisions were made.

The 4070ti performs between a 3080 and 3090. But it's hobbled bus wise so it doesn't do as well in 4k.

Then they make $200 more expensive than the 3080....because money. So less powerful at 4k and $200 more expensive.

But the real problem is AMD and NVIDIA is their base tier pricing keeps getting shifted up. I upgraded whenever frame rates doubled. 7970->580->5700xt. $400 (top tier)->$250 (high end entry)->$400 (upper mid tier)

Upper mid tier has gone from $400 to $800. Entry level is now ~$300 and has not advanced in performance much at all in 6 years from the 580. Everything below that is hot garbage.
 

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The 4070ti performs between a 3080 and 3090. But it's hobbled bus wise so it doesn't do as well in 4k.
Most benchmarks I've seen place the 4070Ti on par or above the 3090/3090Ti even at 4k, which includes the results in THG's testing. Cases where the 4070Ti trails behind the 3080 are outliers either for hitting the memory system exceptionally hard or possibly hitting a driver/hardware quirk.
 
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3090 was $1499 before the crypto boom. It sold for $2500-$3000 during most of 2021 to early 2022, so the MSRP in that sense was meaningless...

3090 was released on September 17, 2020. Back then, the global chip and GPU supply shortages were already well underway. Here's an article from Jul 28, 2020, for example:

Ethereum Price Creates GPU Shortage, Some Manufacturers Blame Nvidia

and here's another from October 6, 2020:

NVIDIA CEO says RTX 3080 and 3090 supply shortage will last throughout 2020
 
Most benchmarks I've seen place the 4070Ti on par or above the 3090/3090Ti even at 4k, which includes the results in THG's testing. Cases where the 4070Ti trails behind the 3080 are outliers either for hitting the memory system exceptionally hard or possibly hitting a driver/hardware quirk.

That's why I said somewhere between a 3080 and 3090. But that 192 bus is hitting it hard where bandwidth is needed. The 3080 and 3090 weren't that far apart to begin with.
 

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That's why I said somewhere between a 3080 and 3090. But that 192 bus is hitting it hard where bandwidth is needed. The 3080 and 3090 weren't that far apart to begin with.
Except it isn't "between the 3080 and 3090" it is above the 3090Ti most of the time, practically dead even for RT and productivity despite its bus width handicap.

Since there are so few cases where the 4070Ti falls significantly behind, it is entirely possible that Nvidia will be able to smooth those out with driver updates.
 
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