Question Nvidia GPU Generational Performance compare - 4060 is a ripoff

[mwhannan74]

With all the fuss about the disappointing 4060 and 4060 Ti performance, I was just curious about how the different Nvidia series GPUs stack up over the last few generations. Grabbed the awesome Tom's Hardware GPU generational performance charts at 1440p and marked them up (I am sure there are some mistakes, and it would be cleaner with no AMD cards). I chose 1440p because IMO that is were most gamers are playing now (me included).

You need to ignore the AMD GPUs in the chart when looking at the lines, they lines only makes sense with respect to Nvidia GPUs.

What did I learn? I am sure you already guessed it, but Nvidia is really screwing mid and lower tier consumers over this time around.

• The 4060 is really bad. At 1440p it cannot come close to the older 3070, not even the 3060 Ti. When you look at chart 1 (previous series one model up), you can see that most new gen cards equal the performance of the previous gen but only level up (new 60 = old 70). However, the 4060 is actually 25% slower than the 3070 (red line)!
• The 4060 Ti fairs a bit better but still poor. It is barely faster than a 3060 Ti and it is noticeably slower than the 3070 Ti.
• The 4070 is about the same as a 3080 (disappointing but acceptable).
• The 4070 Ti is a fair bit faster than the 3080 Ti (not bad).
• The 4080 is 15% faster than the 3090. Now that is the kind of generational upgrade we like to see, but not the 25% we wanted.

1) Comparing new generation to previous generation one series up (new 60 vs. old 70)

2) Comparison when looking at the same series across generations (60, 60 Ti, 70, etc.)

 

[Zerk2012]

With all the fuss about the disappointing 4060 and 4060 Ti performance, I was just curious about how the different Nvidia series GPUs stack up over the last few generations. Grabbed the awesome Tom's Hardware GPU generational performance charts at 1440p and marked them up (I am sure there are some mistakes, and it would be cleaner with no AMD cards). I chose 1440p because IMO that is were most gamers are playing now (me included).

You need to ignore the AMD GPUs in the chart when looking at the lines, they lines only makes sense with respect to Nvidia GPUs.

What did I learn? I am sure you already guessed it, but Nvidia is really screwing mid and lower tier consumers over this time around.

• The 4060 is really bad. At 1440p it cannot come close to the older 3070, not even the 3060 Ti. When you look at chart 1 (previous series one model up), you can see that most new gen cards equal the performance of the previous gen but only level up (new 60 = old 70). However, the 4060 is actually 25% slower than the 3070 (red line)!
• The 4060 Ti fairs a bit better but still poor. It is barely faster than a 3060 Ti and it is noticeably slower than the 3070 Ti.
• The 4070 is about the same as a 3080 (disappointing but acceptable).
• The 4070 Ti is a fair bit faster than the 3080 Ti (not bad).
• The 4080 is 15% faster than the 3090. Now that is the kind of generational upgrade we like to see, but not the 25% we wanted.

1) Comparing new generation to previous generation one series up (new 60 vs. old 70)

2) Comparison when looking at the same series across generations (60, 60 Ti, 70, etc.)

The 4060 is not a 2K resolution card depending on how demanding the game is a 4070 is more of a 2K gaming card.
Most gamers are using a 1080p monitor that a 4060 will in general run just fine.

This is from Steam June 2023.
Primary Display Resolution

800 x 1280
0.27%
+0.27%

1024 x 768
0.20%
0.00%

1280 x 800
0.48%
+0.02%

1280 x 1024
0.54%
-0.03%

1280 x 720
2.19%
+1.93%

1360 x 768
0.87%
-0.09%

1366 x 768
4.94%
-0.28%

1440 x 900
1.63%
-0.32%

1600 x 900
1.36%
-0.04%

1680 x 1050
0.88%
-0.04%

1920 x 1200
0.77%
+0.06%

1920 x 1080
62.00%
-2.33%

2560 x 1600
2.34%
+0.15%

2560 x 1080
0.90%
+0.03%

2560 x 1440
13.23%
+0.35%

3440 x 1440
1.70%
+0.18%

3840 x 2160
3.04%
+0.36%

5120 x 1440
0.20%
+0.20%

Other
2.45%
-0.43%

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

 

[mwhannan74]

The 4060 is not a 2K resolution card depending on how demanding the game is a 4070 is more of a 2K gaming card.
Most gamers are using a 1080p monitor that a 4060 will in general run just fine.

So, you are on board with them nerfing the card for 1440p because a lot of people still have 1080p monitors? I was playing 1440p with a 1070 Ti since 2018. The 4060 cost $300 and the 4060 Ti $400. That is not exactly entry level in my book.

The whole point of the charts was to show how little they tried with this generation for mid-tier and lower. The charts make it obvious once you compare them gen over gen. For the price, the 4060 and Ti are joke at anything other 1080p, and IMO that is a sad state for gamers.

 

[Zerk2012]

So, you are on board with them nerfing the card for 1440p because a lot of people still have 1080p monitors? I was playing 1440p with a 1070 Ti since 2018. The 4060 cost $300 and the 4060 Ti $400. That is not exactly entry level in my book.

The whole point of the charts was to show how little they tried with this generation for mid-tier and lower. The charts make it obvious once you compare them gen over gen. For the price, the 4060 and Ti are joke at anything other 1080p, and IMO that is a sad state for gamers.

The 1070t was released what 6 years ago for a list price of 450 bucks.

6 Years later a 300 buck card is not a mid tier card.

 

[renz496]

Nvidia is really screwing mid and lower tier consumers over this time around.

nvidia have no obligation to give gamer faster performance

 

[Avro Arrow]

If you're only a gamer, I find that ALL GeForce cards are a rip-off.

 

[mwhannan74]

As luck would have it, TechSpot just published this article today.

GeForce RTX 4060 Ti vs. RTX 3060 Ti: 40 Game Benchmark How Did Nvidia Do This?

"For $400, it is "a bad joke." The card struggles to compete with the two-year-old RTX 3060 Ti, which we'll be scrutinizing further today."

"Therefore, considering its price, it is a flawed product. There's insufficient VRAM, overall performance is subpar, and it's hamstrung by a narrow memory bus. However, we maintain that the card does function. Had it been priced at $300 or less, it could have been an outstanding product."

"The RTX 3060 Ti's price has dropped to $350, making it $50 less expensive than the newer 4060 Ti. This means that for those targeting 1440p, the older 30 series part offers better value."

"And that's the comparison we're focusing on this review. The previous generation RTX 3060 Ti starkly illustrates why the 4060 Ti disappoints. Recall that when the 3060 Ti was released, it offered a massive 50% performance boost over the 2060 Super."

"By the time the 4060 Ti arrived – 2.5 years after the introduction of the 3060 Ti – one would expect another significant jump in performance at the same $400 price point or an increase in VRAM. Yet, neither happened, and in some instances, Nvidia regressed."

My lines on the graph just give a better visual representation of how bad Nvidia is pulling one over on consumers this time.

 

[mwhannan74]

The 1070t was released what 6 years ago for a list price of 450 bucks.

6 Years later a 300 buck card is not a mid tier card.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

The 1070 Ti was a $400 card at release. I purchased it for $350. Are you saying that $600 for a 4070 and almost $800 for a 4070 Ti is an acceptable price for a mid tier card?

 

[mwhannan74]

nvidia have no obligation to give gamer faster performance

Sure, you are right. The can do anything that they want. There is no rule that says the new gen should meet or exceed the performance of the previous gen one tier higher.

However, that misses the point. Nvidia not only significantly raised the prices for the 4000 series, but you are are also getting equal and in some aspects less performance for the price. That goes against the historical trend, since well, the beginning of GPUs. Worst of all, they showed in the higher end they can easily beat the previous gen by 15%-20%. It goes to show that they purposely nerfed the 4060 series while also wanting to make more profit.

 

[Zerk2012]

I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

The 1070 Ti was a $400 card at release. I purchased it for $350. Are you saying that $600 for a 4070 and almost $800 for a 4070 Ti is an acceptable price for a mid tier card?

With inflation 400 bucks in 2017 is like 500 bucks now.

CPI Inflation Calculator

So you add 100 more bucks after inflation cost and buy a 4070 and you gain over 100 % gaming performance.
1440p
High Preset

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare	60−65 −102%	120−130 +102%
Hitman 3	70−75 −120%	150−160 +120%
Horizon Zero Dawn	50−55 −117%	110−120 +117%
Metro Exodus	40 −160%	104 +160%
Red Dead Redemption 2	30−33 −123%	65−70 +123%
Shadow of the Tomb Raider	51 −218%	162 +218%

RTX 4070 vs GTX 1070 Ti [5-Benchmark Showdown]

Comparing GTX 1070 Ti with RTX 4070: technical specs, games and benchmarks.

technical.city

EDIT the prices have gone up on everything, your not going to see a 300 buck mid tier card again.

 

[Eximo]

Of course they could make faster cards and charge less, but they are obligated to make a profit. Their position is still pretty good which allows them to set the pricing. Until AMD or Intel can offer serious competition at the high end, this is going to continue.

Gaming GPUs are more and more a niche product, just the way things are going to go. Integrated GPUs from the likes of AMD and Intel over the next year or two are pretty much going to cover light gaming for the majority. Just look at the SteamDeck and ROG Ally. The consoles cover the majority of 'mainstream' gaming.

I agree the 4060 is not a good price except in a few circumstances, but you have options from AMD and Intel They just can't match the ultra high end.