Nvidia Gtx 970 or AMD Radeon R9 290x?

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Basically I need to decide between these two cards and I don't know which one to choose...

My processor is a 4GHz AMD A8 6600k with integrated Radeon HD8570D graphics and my motherboard is an MSI FM2-A55M-E35 uATX.

Which card will run best on this board and CPU?

(P.S. my mobo has AMD Crossfire so is it possible that the 290x will be able to recieve a boost from my integrated graphics?)

Thank you all.
 
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Question's been answered.

Again the 290x is "not in the race" (as in "not competitive")....unless you are over 2560 resolution....

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At 1920 x 1090 out of the box, it's $200 more money to go slower and with both overclocked as far as they can go, the gap widens substantially.

At 2560 x 1600 out of the box, it's $200 more money to for a tie and with both overclocked as far as they can go, the 970 runs away.

The only time CPus come into play as far as one versus the other is when you have multiple GFX cards and THG...


I'm aware of the amount of heat the 290x produces but that still doesn't answer my question...
Which will work better with my CPU?
 


I think both will suffer bottlenecks in CPU dependent games, for games where you do not have a CPU bottleneck the 970 is better
 


Question's been answered.

Again the 290x is "not in the race" (as in "not competitive")....unless you are over 2560 resolution....

perfrel_1920.gif


At 1920 x 1090 out of the box, it's $200 more money to go slower and with both overclocked as far as they can go, the gap widens substantially.

At 2560 x 1600 out of the box, it's $200 more money to for a tie and with both overclocked as far as they can go, the 970 runs away.

The only time CPus come into play as far as one versus the other is when you have multiple GFX cards and THG reported recently that AMD did SLI better than it did in CF.
 
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The 970 will fit on my motherboard with no problems right?
 
Before you make a decision remember the 290X has a 512bit bus and the maxwell only 256bit. The Radeon also supports Mantle, important, see here http://games.on.net/2014/10/sniper-elite-3-adds-support-for-amds-mantle-api/ and the 290X does outperform the 970 considerably in higher resolutions. Being part of Team Red is also fun, AMD is very active with uses on twitter.


 


That doesn't make much of a difference.
In quiet mode, the 290x can be overclocked from 1250 to 1295 MHz. This increases its bandwidth from 320 GB/s to 331.52 GB/s.
However the 970 can be overclocked from 1753 MHz to over 2153 MHz, increasing its bandwidth from 224 GB/s to 288 GB/s. All while running quiet under load.
 


As I enter this, 20 days after your post:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131548 -> PowerColor PCS+ AXR9 290X 4GBD5-PPDHE $359.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202079 -> SAPPHIRE TRI-X OC 100361-2SR Radeon R9 290X $369.99

Both of those are overclocked, compared to
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150696 -> XFX Double Dissipation R9-290X-EDFD $329.99

three weeks may have had a part in it, but the 290X can be had for prices much closer to that of the GTX970

 
GTX 970. Better performance, quieter, less heat, and Team Green destroys AMD when it comes to drivers. AMD's Mantle is only a help for weaker CPU'S, which may be your case, as there is a bottleneck with your CPU and GPU. But that should never sway you from the decision, 970 beats 290X in almost every way possible. Even though 970 is 256 bus, it still outperforms the 512 bus on AMD's R9 290X., which is incredible. The 970 is an incredible overclocker, and you can overclock it to 980 performance (not saying that sarcastically, I mean LITERALLY), it stays amazingly cool, performance/price can't be beat, drivers are amazing as always with NVIDIA, and Maxwell is incredibly efficient, keeping the card below 150 Watts. Speaking of Maxwell, new technologies such as DSR, VXGI, MFAA, and other features enhance your gaming experience drastically.

Going back to the overclocking part, you can get the 970 above 1500MHz with a 3rd part cooler (MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, etc.). The performance boost is about 8~15% when overclocked. Oh, and one more thing, the SLI performance with the new 900 series has been improved significantly, making scaling a lot better than before, but I'd advise against it and give it another 4-6 months as there are bugs with it still. But that's something you should think about if you can support SLI (Again, I wouldn't no matter what your case is, the performance improvement will be useless as your bottleneck would horribly kill the point of SLI'ing. If you can, I'd advise you to get an i5 4690K, your performance, even without the new card, will boost significantly.)

Not saying AMD sucks; but it's clear that NVIDIA gets the win entirely here, no doubt. There are only 2 things that make AMD better: It games better at 4K, no doubt, and if you put a steak in your rig while the 290X is under load, you can cook dinner in less than 7 minutes! xD
 
My 290 was getting 10 fps more average in Shadow of Mordor with everything on ultra than my 970. This is at 1440p. My pure AMD build(8350@4.5 w/Vapor-X 290) ran that game better than my Intel/Nvidia build(i5 4690k@3.9 w/single 970), that is until I went SLI and now have 100+ fps average on SoM.

AMD is very good, I just wish they used less power and produced less heat.
 
I will never say that AMD is out of the race. (My current build uses a Phenom II 955BE OC'd with a HD5870 GPU.) My current system still plays most games quite well @ 1080p with high or ultra settings.

The current AMD APUs and GPUs might not be the performers that compete directly with high end Intel i5 and i7 processors, but they still offer a bang for the buck, especially when using multi-threaded applications on lower budgets.

What I see in graphics is a see-saw. AMD was up for a bit. When I got my 5870 AMD/ATI had the advantage. It was first out with DX11 and it wasn't the furnace FERMI was when it finally was released weeks later.Now the 290X is a bit of a furnace, but is last-gen DX11, and the 970 and 980 sip power in comparison with new-gen DX12. It will be interesting to see what replaces the R9 290X cards.

Right now, if you need DX12 you need the 970 or 980. 1080p or under, it is game dependent on what is better, QHD and above leans towards the 290X right now.
 


R9 290 Tri-X owner here.
If I were you I'd find out if that APU (with integrated HD8570D) can be combined with R9 series cards in order to increase performance, if you could do that, then I think it would be better for you to get some R9.

I want to clear up some misconceptions about the R9 290 series. It's true that the reference models run very hot, but this isn't the case at all with custom models like mine (Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC 4GB). My R9 290 runs at 74ºC tops (including VRM) at full load and 1000MHz constant core clock, which means that it runs cooler than that most of the time. I can overclock my R9 290 up to 1200MHz with gpu temps topping at 77ºC under full load.
The Tri-X cooler is impressive, it runs VERY quiet and it cools the card remarkably well. You only need to push the fans to 40% tops (50% when overclocking) in order to keep temperatures below 80ºC under the most demanding scenarios, you can even use them at 30-35% and the card will still run cool. These Tri-X fans don't make noise until they reach +55%, then you'll start hearing them, but , as I said, there's no need to push the fans beyond 40%, since temperatures are already kept below 75ºC using that value.
Bottom line: Custom R9 290 models run cool and quiet. My old GTX 560Ti, for instance, used to run considerably hotter (VRM used to reach 90ºC, LOL) and it was VERY loud when under load. So quit saying Nvidia is cooler and quieter because that's not always true (my experience is exactly the opposite, for instance).

However, I do agree that AMD drivers are pretty bad (artifacting, system crashes, etc.).
But if I had an APU like you, I would consider AMD cards, in case I could somehow take advantage of the AMD integrated graphics. Combine the AMD gpu with the AMD apu in order to get increased performance. Otherwise, perhaps I'd consider getting a GTX 970 (or GTX 980 If my budget allowed it), but I'm unsure that APU would work well with it.

Here you can see how these cards perform in BF4, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5aPkZFnVYU

The performance difference between the R9 290x and the GTX 970 is pretty small if you ask me, but it's true that nvidia cards are much less power hungy, more efficient, that's definitely telling us something (not to mention that a lot of game engines like Cryengine run better on nvidia cards). The R9 290x is an overclocked card by default, unlike the GTX 970, which means that AMD needs to push their technology close to its limits in order to catch up with the best nvidia cards, at the cost of huge energy consumption and high component stress. Nvidia cards can do more using less, in a nutshell. If the price is ok with you, then I'd recommend to go for Nvidia.
However, I don't know how your AMD APU will cope with nvidia cards. I wouldn't expect the high fps you see in the video with your APU, you'll probably get lower fps because your cpu isn't as powerful as the one they used (probably).

So if there's a way to combine AMD integrated graphics and AMD gpu, then go for some R9, otherwise, get a GTX 970. And next time don't buy AMD APUs if you plan on buying a dedicated graphics card afterwards, because then the APU concept becomes pointless and all the potential cpu power you could've had with a pure cpu is lost.


 
I won't lie, I'm a bit of an NVIDIA fanboy xP But AMD is still a viable option, not to mention that they just came out with the 8GB card. But, I don't know, I feel NVIDIA wins with these cards, just because of efficiency, power draw, SLI compatibility and SLI scaling (Just my opinion, I think SLI is a lot more stable than Crossfire, but both SLI and Crossfire are still unstable ATM, if that makes sense) and the overclocking headroom is incredible. I pushed my Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 to 1351 Core Clock (1587 MHz Boost) and 8.2GHz Memory Clock from 1178 Core Clock and 7GHz Memory, along with a 1354 Boost Clock. And yet, fan noise only stays around 39 DB and the card stays under 68 °C with the OC.

But if AMD is your preference, then go with them. There third party cards, like Sapphire, MSI, Gigabyte, etc., vastly improve the performance and cooling of the cards.

Oh, and the only reason I can't stand AMD with there cards, is there drivers. I'll be honest, if AMD had NVIDIA drivers, I wouldn't know which card to choose. But, alas, there driver team just isn't as good as Nvidia, though I know that some drivers keep the cards stable, but there always seems to be a problem. Oh, well, not my problem :)Oh, and going back to SLI/Crossfire, I understand there both a pain, but after reading reviews, I'd advise everybody to stay away from Crossfire. It sounds like a nightmare 😛

And one more thing, I was wrong about my last post, AMD plays games better than NVIDIA at 4K, because of the bandwidth, but they come very close to each other anyways, so it doesn't matter.
 


the dual graphic (or hybrid crossfire for it's old name) will not going to work with a card that is have huge performance difference with the integrated graphic card. that's why when you see the compatibility list for dual graphic they only support low end cards. it was limitation with the technology itself. also it seems support for dual graphic drivers are quite bad. it's like AMD not even giving any effort to properly support the tech.

 


Then it's settled. Get a GTX 970 and next time don't buy APUs.
 
Can we not overlook the fact that the R9 290X has been out for over a year, so whilst this comparison is valid it's interesting to see that AMD were way ahead of the game.

I have an R9 290 and I must say that the drivers are useless. I have the stock version, so I bought a GELID cooling solution that works brilliantly (now runs @ 69 degrees) but that cost me a further £30 and the new cards have custom coolers as has been mentioned in the thread.

Whilst the R9 290X was an awesome card when it was initially released and changed the landscape in terms of both NVidia and AMD's price points plummeting, I would suggest that you go for the NVidia solution because overall it will simply be much more stable. Note that I also have an AMD APU, but Mantle is only available on a few games (I have Thief and Battlefield 4 for example) and it's temperamental to say the least! That said, it does improve my overall performance by up to 12% which is significant given that it's a simple software solution and no over-clocking, etc.
 
I am a little bit of an AMD fan boy when it comes to graphics. but I would go with the 970 over the 290x but if you want to overclock a 290 can match or even beat the performance of a 290x when overclocked but with your cpu all three would be bottlenecked in some games as has previously been stated.

(and yes I realized that you have already picked i'm just posting my thoughts for people who come here later with the same question)
 


I don't think this is accurate. Here's my counter-graph:

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source http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1837126&page=3

there's a whole discussion there about how 970 is hyped, finicky, and still expensive. I know when the discussion here was current Nvidia released the 970 matching the 290x price point (or cheaper if you compare 2gb 970s vs 4gb 290x) so it was more convincing then. but now tht they are the same price or even $50 cheaper, and the 290x is clearly faster at 1600p in modern games .. and the 290x actually offers an 8gb version for ultra hi res textures (for the 1% of people that care about that) .. it is generally the better option.

I think clearly (and contrary to my cherry-picked graph) the 980 is better — at least when considering overclocking. But who cares? Those are still well over $500. The 970 is still over $320, and the 290x is now going for $280.

For the record, I'm also doubtful that the cpu would have been a bottleneck. Sure it is only ~2/3's the speed of an unlocked Sandy Bridge i5 running stock. But the thing is, no games today push the cpu... I have an ivy bridge i5k that I run in power savings mode because nothing comes close to using the idle cycles... I really can't get it to go over ~60% gaming.
 

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