**NVIDIA GTX460 BUST or HIT?**

palitusa

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Today is launching of NVIDIA GTX460 Fermi card.

So far it has been great review from around. Under $200 starting MSRP with DX11 performance increased. And it can overclocked really well.

If you see good reviews or even bad. Please post on this thread to share. Thank you.


BUST or HIT?

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-460-us.html



Also,
Palit newsletter released of GTX460. Here are our specs. I think we were the first to release the 1GB version or at least to sell them. :)

http://www.palit.biz/enews/event/worldwide/GTX460/Palit-GTX460-Newsletter-en.php
 

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Hmm lets see. A card that performs like a GTX 465, which is very close to a 5850. This same card, in SLI, also comes very close to the 5870 in Crossfire. With voltage tweaking, the card also rockets past 900 MHz on the core, a 225MHz+ overclock. It is also as cool running as a 5770, and uses the same amount of power as a GTX 260. You get all this for $230.

I'm thinking this is a pretty big HIT. :D
 

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It was a hit, as it gives around the 5770's amazing performance/price but at a higher point, the $199 mark has been unchallenged for far too long, AMD was able to dominate it with a "meh" 5830 simply because nVidia had no answer.
Once again, SLI's superior scaling and maturity makes 2xGTX 460 a very compelling buy.

And thank you for the 1 GB version, the 768MB one has quite a few "drops" at higher resolution.
 

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Put it this way, if i was looking for a good performance single card or for SLI solution, i would definitely go with the 460 hands down. The 460 will rattle prices over the next 3 months, hands down...
 
Maybe PalitUSA should send me a card so I can test it out and let everyone know how it performs :D

Based on reviews I've read so far, I'd say hit. Price of a 5830 but performs between that and a 5850, sometimes beating even a 5850 stock vs stock. And great SLI performance. Good power usage. Looks like Nvidia finally made a good Fermi.
 

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What do you guys think of a GTX 460 2GB version but it will be default speed? You can always overclock it. :)

Core clock 675mhz
Processor clock 1350mhz
Memory clock 1800mhz(3600) GDDR5
 

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If price range is around $199-250. Of course we wouldn't know the price yet. The 2GB version is something that mid/range card has not reached because memory price is still expensive.
 
I can't see much benefit in 2gb version. I wouldn't call myself an expert on the issue, but from what I've seen 1gb is enough for most scenarios. The only time you need a lot more is in the extremely high resolution and texture detail settings. Given that this is a midrange card, it seems unlikely to do well as a 2gb model as the people with 3 monitors are going to be buying the top cards.

As it stands, again from the reviews I've read at anandtech as well as here on toms, the GT460 can hold up to better cards in the lower resolution settings but drops off at the big resolutions. Could an extra 1gb of VRAM help this? Maybe, but then the cards that create a bigger lead at high res only have 1gb themselves.
 

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Or you could buy two of these, which is what I'm thinking of. Besides you need 2 cards for a 3 monitor setup with nVidia.



Yeah, I think this card would really need another gigabyte to be competitive with a three monitor setup. However, if its more than $250 I would just go with a 5850 at that point.
 

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What do you guys think of a GTX 460 2GB version but it will be default speed? You can always overclock it.
Not good. The GTX460 is a hit. If only the GF100 was as good as the GF104... 2GBs on the GTX460 isn't good as its GPU isn't good enough to push 2560x1600 on current games. 1GB is fine for the 1680x1050, or 1920x1080 where the GTX460 performs. In the reviews I've read so far 2GB is a waste. (of course from a marketing perspective I'm sure 2GB cards will fly off the shelves...)
 

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2GB is a waste for the 5xxx series architecture. I'm not so sure about the GTX 460 being effected the same. The GTX 4xx series lags behind in the memory department, so this extra amount of VRAM may help quite a bit.
 

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Not for at least 1 year, they barely started this gen, both the sub 40 nm process are not yet ready and will probably take a year or so to be mature enough.
 

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Definitely be good for retails or system builders. The 2GB will be a hit but for Gamers and Tech savvy people, they wouldn't buy unless it is a good pricepoint.
 

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Only if it benefits from having 2GB, if it doesn't then it will have to be cheaper because that's what the tech savvy people and gamers would pick up on.
 

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Let's just say the pricepoint is $249 which is same as the Palit Sonic Platinum. But the 2GB will have default speed 675/1800(can be overclocked) instead of the Sonic Platinum of 800/2000.

Which would you rather pick? haha or neither. :p
 

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Here is a Hard review of 2GB 5870.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/05/20/asus_rog_matrix_5870_platinum_video_card_review/10

The ASUS ROG Matrix 5870 Platinum Edition does provide you with 2GB of memory on board, which exceeds the 1GB found on Radeon HD 5870 video cards. However, we found that for the most part this provided us with no tangible advantages even at 2560x1600. Only in Splinter Cell: Conviction did we see a difference, it allowed us to run at 8X AA versus 4X AA on the 1GB HD 5870.
Looking at their review of the GTX460, they had few games running higher then 1920x1080. It seems to me that the GTX460 is just to weak to handle modern games at 2560x1600 where you MIGHT see a 2GB frame buffer pay off.
 

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Why would the price be the same if memory is expensive? That just makes me think that your previous comment was either a lie or that your company has been price gouging. :kaola:


 

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I would likely go with the 2GB version, as I have no use for a factory OC.



Your comparing different architectures. The GTX 4xx series is bottlenecked by memory and memory bandwidth, so 2GB might do some good.
 

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I'm just saying. That's why I put "Let's just say the pricepoint is $249." I don't deal with pricing and I cannot control price. I'm just surveying GTX460 2GB to see if it would be necessary.

As you know making 2GB card are very expensive and especially with midrange card that cannot use high settings at high resolution can be a problem.
 

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2gb at the 249.99 price point is not unreasonable. As many noticed the o/c Sonic model sold out fast at that price. Enthusiasts can o/c a card, we can't add memory frame buffer.



I agree, but if you were building a SLI rig with them, overclocked with a multi-monitor system the amount of games/situations you might utilize that memory are more. Imo, there are going to be a lot of people considering that combination. Well at least some combination of SLI 460.
 

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The keyword there being "might", if it's only one or two frames per second difference then I'd go for the cheapest 1GB card.
 

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If i were a customer. And somebody selling me a Sonic Platinum for $249 but then another company come out selling a 2GB version for $249.

Wouldn't that kill all the Overclocked GTX460?

But then again the extra 1GB would cost alot more than $249.
 

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How does the non-reference cooler on the three Palit cards compare to the reference cooler and the non-reference coolers on cards such as the MSI overclocked card and the GigaByte 1GB card? Although the Palit card is by far the best-looking, the quality of the cooler is probably more important to me.
 

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