News Nvidia reportedly creating new RTX 4090 D 'Dragon' GPU to comply with US export regulations for China

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Nvidia is believed to be developing an alternative to the outgoing RTX 4090, dubbed the RTX 4090 D, that will be designed to meet the United State's export regulations so it can be assembled and sold in China.

Nvidia reportedly creating new RTX 4090 D 'Dragon' GPU to comply with US export regulations for China : Read more

 

[atomicWAR]

I totally get they want to address such a large market but it is getting a little bothersome Nvidia has tried to barely fly under the embargo radar again, again and again. It defeats their whole purpose IMHO.

If you ask me the smart thing to do would be neuter the tensor cores severely. Leave just enough to allow for DLSS 3/3.5 to run but effectively kill it as a proper high powered AI card. I didn't feel like doing all the TPP math or I would offered a more complete potential 'spec sheet'. Regardless by lasering off a large portion of the tensor cores Nvidia should in theory be able to have a faster chip in raster and ray-tracing then would have been possible otherwise due to processing and silicon restraints required under the new embargos.

Please if someone more versed in the nuance of chip design would please chime in here I would be grateful! (glances at bit_user) I am sure their are a few routes Nvidia can take but the pricing is very Ngreedia like considering this will be a cut down chip. They always seem all to ready to go along with any scalper/pandemic/embargo pricing when releasing new products. Its really rather sad and unfortunate for gamers. You know the folks who built Nvidia up in the first place. At this point I almost wish Nvidia would spin off their gaming arm and focus on AI. Gamers and users deserve better....

 

[bigdragon]

Dragons exist outside of China. They should name this card the 4090 P for Panda.

I'm not understanding the need or desire to neuter the 4090 to make it legal. Just design and release a 4080 Ti that's legal for export. That should be in the performance realm the supposed 4090 D is targeting.

 

[-Fran-]

I totally get they want to address such a large market but it is getting a little bothersome Nvidia has tried to barely fly under the embargo radar again, again and again. It defeats their whole purpose IMHO.

If you ask me the smart thing to do would be neuter the tensor cores severely. Leave just enough to allow for DLSS 3/3.5 to run but effectively kill it as a proper high powered AI card. I didn't feel like doing all the TPP math or I would offered a more complete potential 'spec sheet'. Regardless by lasering off a large portion of the tensor cores Nvidia should in theory be able to have a faster chip in raster and ray-tracing then would have been possible otherwise due to processing and silicon restraints required under the new embargos.

Please if someone more versed in the nuance of chip design would please chime in here I would be grateful! (glances at bit_user) I am sure their are a few routes Nvidia can take but the pricing is very Ngreedia like considering this will be a cut down chip. They always seem all to ready to go along with any scalper/pandemic/embargo pricing when releasing new products. Its really rather sad and unfortunate for gamers. You know the folks who built Nvidia up in the first place. At this point I almost wish Nvidia would spin off their gaming arm and focus on AI. Gamers and users deserve better....

Killing their Tensor Cores kills the whole gimmick of "RTX" and it would go back to being just a "GTX" card.

They can't sell you DLSS or RT or whatever else they are selling behind the Tensor Cores performance.

Regards.

 

[atomicWAR]

Killing their Tensor Cores kills the whole gimmick of "RTX" and it would go back to being just a "GTX" card.

They can't sell you DLSS or RT or whatever else they are selling behind the Tensor Cores performance.

Regards.

I only meant to make the big cuts to tensor not kill it all together. Make it closer to a RTX 4080 in tensor core count. And it shouldn't kill RTX as the RT cores are a different thing. The big thing it would affect is DLSS gains as far as I can tell looking over the architecture.

 

[ilukey77]

Isnt China chasing the 4090 for its AI related tasks ??

We all know China's market is huge even more than the US is some cases !!

Really hammers home if Nvidia want to make more money the will build it .. ( or nerf it in this case )

 

[williamcll]

Reminds me of AMD's RX GRE series

 

[who_farted]

so does this mean china's 5000 series could top out with a 5070 given the performance was there?

 

[williamcll]

so does this mean china's 5000 series could top out with a 5070 given the performance was there?

Maybe they'll bring back the GTX series

 

[Joseph_138]

Maybe they'll bring back the GTX series

Only if they accumulate enough defective dies with bad RT cores, like they did with RTX 20, resulting in GTX 16. Yields on those seem to have gone up dramatically enough with the RTX 30 cards, that it wasn't viable to do a GTX production run with them. I don't expect that there will ever be a GTX card based on the RTX 40 or 50 architectures, especially now that AMD can do raytracing, too. Nvidia could release GTX 16, when they did, because RX 5000 couldn't do raytracing at all. A card that can't do raytracing at all, is going to be tough to sell now.