News Nvidia RTX 4060 and RTX 4050 GPUs Could Launch Sooner Than Expected

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Here is my performance and pricing prediction: nowhere near enough performance for the money.

Unless Nvidia suddenly gets the hint from dwindling GPU sales and revises its price structure accordingly, I believe it is safe to predict that $400+ "entry-level" GPUs (likely $500+ for the 4060 based on the 4070Ti's price) will be DOA before they are even announced.
 

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Here is my performance and pricing prediction: nowhere near enough performance for the money.

Unless Nvidia suddenly gets the hint from dwindling GPU sales and revises its price structure accordingly, I believe it is safe to predict that $400+ "entry-level" GPUs (likely $500+ for the 4060 based on the 4070Ti's price) will be DOA before they are even announced.
I agree looking like they are going to be to little performance for too much money.

The 4090 can be as high priced as they want (it is their best card) but the rest of them are priced far to high for my taste.
 

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Here is my performance and pricing prediction: nowhere near enough performance for the money.

Unless Nvidia suddenly gets the hint from dwindling GPU sales and revises its price structure accordingly, I believe it is safe to predict that $400+ "entry-level" GPUs (likely $500+ for the 4060 based on the 4070Ti's price) will be DOA before they are even announced.
probably in few weeks the price will dropped to the $300+ level.
 

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Here is my performance and pricing prediction: nowhere near enough performance for the money.

Unless Nvidia suddenly gets the hint from dwindling GPU sales and revises its price structure accordingly, I believe it is safe to predict that $400+ "entry-level" GPUs (likely $500+ for the 4060 based on the 4070Ti's price) will be DOA before they are even announced.
They've intentionally priced the 4000 series higher to incentivize people to buy the glut of 3000 series cards
 
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Hopefully sales are slow enough they are forced to reduce prices on the entire stack to sell any inventory. I'm actually hoping the rumored Alchemist + refresh rumors are true. The performance has seen massive improvements since launch with driver updates and they have admitted they have optimization to do, but for the price they are asking I'd be really tempted to buy one. The refresh, if it happens, would hopefully be a fairly significant improvement with architectural improvements and further driver optimization very likely to yield significant gains over the course of its life. Keep the prices the same and they'll be a damn good budget option, forcing Nvidia and AMD to reduce prices if they want to sell their cards. Intel needs a win and the GPU market needs a solid budget option. They could own the low the middle end and leave the overpriced end to the competition.
 

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I wonder if Nvidia is starting to encounter the Disney paradox. When you raise prices to a certain point you attract customers that demand even more than what is offered. If those customers aren't satisfied, then instead of visiting a theme park that has a Paris section or playing a Paris map in a video game, they'll just go to real life Paris.

It's nice to see new GPU products on the way sooner rather than later. The rate of performance improvements seemed to have been slowed by the pandemic. Those prices have got to come back down though. A game console refresh would do serious damage to Nvidia's revenue in the form of accessible competition.
 

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At best the 4060 and 4050 will be 1% increase in performance for 1% more money probably less than that too be honest, I'm expecting ~20% increase in price for a ~10% increase in performance. Nvidia will get away with it as once it removes 30 series from circulation, it's fanboys will always buy the product regardless of value.
 
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If the 4050 comes in at 75w, it would have to be priced at $185 to match the value of the GTX 750 Ti ($149 launch price in 2014.) I dont see nvidia pricing a prospective 4050 at $185
Based on how grossly overpriced the RTX3050 still is for what it is and everything else launched so far being priced at least one tier up, I would be surprised if the RTX4050 launched under $350. With Nvidia also cutting memory bus down one notch for a given marketing tier, I also guesstimate that the RTX4050 will struggle to compete against the RX6600 which easily beats the RTX3050 in just about all things besides RT and CUDA.

It is going to be another dumpster fire launch.
 

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Hopefully sales are slow enough they are forced to reduce prices on the entire stack to sell any inventory. I'm actually hoping the rumored Alchemist + refresh rumors are true. The performance has seen massive improvements since launch with driver updates and they have admitted they have optimization to do, but for the price they are asking I'd be really tempted to buy one. The refresh, if it happens, would hopefully be a fairly significant improvement with architectural improvements and further driver optimization very likely to yield significant gains over the course of its life. Keep the prices the same and they'll be a damn good budget option, forcing Nvidia and AMD to reduce prices if they want to sell their cards. Intel needs a win and the GPU market needs a solid budget option. They could own the low the middle end and leave the overpriced end to the competition.
Unfortunately, Intel cards right now are even more expensive than equivalent Nvidia and AMD cards, so I'm not putting my hopes up this time again.

I am really glad that I got my company to buy me a 1k$ gaming laptop instead 1k$ business/fancy Ultrabook, so I got Ryzen 5800H + RTX3060 a few months ago, just before the new gens of CPUs and GPUs started their releases. It's looking to be best "early Xmas gift" I ever got... I was planning whole new gaming PC at home, now that's on hold indefinitely.
 

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If the 4050 comes in at 75w, it would have to be priced at $185 to match the value of the GTX 750 Ti ($149 launch price in 2014.) I dont see nvidia pricing a prospective 4050 at $185
I am expecting the RTX 4050 to be priced more like the RTX 3060, than the RTX 3050. Both MSRP are way above what you are thinking.
 
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At best the 4060 and 4050 will be 1% increase in performance for 1% more money probably less than that too be honest, I'm expecting ~20% increase in price for a ~10% increase in performance. Nvidia will get away with it as once it removes 30 series from circulation, it's fanboys will always buy the product regardless of value.
I believe Nvidia will deliver successors that are faster than what they are replacing. However just like the way AMD did it, current gen Nvidia cards will more or less target a specific resolution. So if you look at the RTX 4070 Ti, it is generally very fast below 4K. And as what Nvidia advertised, it is faster than the RTX 3090 Ti at the target resolution. Once you exceed the resolution, the lack of memory bandwidth and cache will see performance degrade faster. So with the RTX 4060 and 4050, the same limitation applies and more restrictive due to the narrower memory bandwidth and smaller cache. RT performance may take a hit as well because of the lack of memory bandwidth.
 

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If the 4050 comes in at 75w, it would have to be priced at $185 to match the value of the GTX 750 Ti ($149 launch price in 2014.) I dont see nvidia pricing a prospective 4050 at $185
I don't even understand that GTX 750 Ti reference, either. Wouldn't the GTX 1050 Ti be a better benchmark?

Once you exceed the resolution, the lack of memory bandwidth and cache will see performance degrade faster.
Lack of bandwidth and capacity, sure. But the 4000-series so far has waaay more L2 cache than the 3000-series. Like 12x as much. If that trend continues, the RTX 4050 would still have like 4x as much L2 cache as even the RTX 3090 Ti!
 
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I am really glad that I got my company to buy me a 1k$ gaming laptop instead 1k$ business/fancy Ultrabook, so I got Ryzen 5800H + RTX3060 a few months ago, just before the new gens of CPUs and GPUs started their releases. It's looking to be best "early Xmas gift" I ever got... I was planning whole new gaming PC at home, now that's on hold indefinitely.
Wow, I'd never game on a company laptop. Not in a million years. Even visiting any websites not strictly work-related feels iffy.
 
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I don't even understand that GTX 750 Ti reference, either. Wouldn't the GTX 1050 Ti be a better benchmark?
Or the RTX1650S, the best low-budget GPU of its time before GPU prices went crazy.

The RTX3050 should really have been a $200 successor, especially now that memory prices have gone down ~50%, component shortages are over and suppliers are cutting prices to keep inventory moving. I wonder how its sales are actually going. It seems like every model ever made is in stock everywhere, which suggests sales aren't particularly great.

I'm looking forward to seeing AMD and Nvidia's next quarter sales still tanking due to pricing themselves out of the market and enough gamers holding the line to make them suffer for it.
 

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Here is my performance and pricing prediction: nowhere near enough performance for the money.

Unless Nvidia suddenly gets the hint from dwindling GPU sales and revises its price structure accordingly, I believe it is safe to predict that $400+ "entry-level" GPUs (likely $500+ for the 4060 based on the 4070Ti's price) will be DOA before they are even announced.
I'm using a 2070 that I've been dying to upgrade but I can't justify it at these prices.
 
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Or the RTX1650S, the best low-budget GPU of its time before GPU prices went crazy.

The RTX3050 should really have been a $200 successor, especially now that memory prices have gone down ~50%, component shortages are over and suppliers are cutting prices to keep inventory moving. I wonder how its sales are actually going. It seems like every model ever made is in stock everywhere, which suggests sales aren't particularly great.

I'm looking forward to seeing AMD and Nvidia's next quarter sales still tanking due to pricing themselves out of the market and enough gamers holding the line to make them suffer for it.
All three of the GPU makers are hoping to establish the current entry points at ~$300 for 50 class ~$500 for 60 class as the new "Normal", they are hoping if they can keep it there long enough gamers will forgot the days of $250 60 class cards. They are also hoping they wont lose too many to console gamers but from a revenue point of you as long as they keep 50% of the previous market they are making more revenue (and it will be even larger for profit).
 

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They are also hoping they wont lose too many to console gamers but from a revenue point of you as long as they keep 50% of the previous market they are making more revenue (and it will be even larger for profit).
What do you think will happen with PC games developers if 50+% of their potential customers vanish because viable entry-level GPUs have become too damn expensive? They will have to raise prices to offset the market shrink and a bunch may not bother with PC versions anymore. With PC games being fewer and more expensive, you will get far fewer people able to justify the cost of GPUs, GPUs will get even more expensive because all of the R&D, tooling and other costs have to be amortized on less than half as many sales and you have a death spiral.

Long-term pain for short-term gains.
 
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Hopefully sales are slow enough they are forced to reduce prices on the entire stack to sell any inventory. I'm actually hoping the rumored Alchemist + refresh rumors are true. The performance has seen massive improvements since launch with driver updates and they have admitted they have optimization to do, but for the price they are asking I'd be really tempted to buy one. The refresh, if it happens, would hopefully be a fairly significant improvement with architectural improvements and further driver optimization very likely to yield significant gains over the course of its life. Keep the prices the same and they'll be a damn good budget option, forcing Nvidia and AMD to reduce prices if they want to sell their cards. Intel needs a win and the GPU market needs a solid budget option. They could own the low the middle end and leave the overpriced end to the competition.
An ARC refresh would be really tasty. The A750 is the cheapest modern entry-level card where I live, and either keeps up or beats its direct competitors in most cases. If it is for the same or only slightly higher price for better performance... bring it. I might even switch mu 1070 in the secondary system out before it breaks if that happens.

What do you think will happen with PC games developers if 50+% of their potential customers vanish because viable entry-level GPUs have become too damn expensive? They will have to raise prices to offset the market shrink and a bunch may not bother with PC versions anymore.
They already raised prices considerably, especially for AAA titles. Hogwarts Legacy, Forspoken FFXVI, Jedi Survivor... all increased in price.
 
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What do you think will happen with PC games developers if 50+% of their potential customers vanish because viable entry-level GPUs have become too damn expensive?
I wish some anti-trust ruling would force consoles to let Steam on there. Especially XBox, since I gather its programming model is a heck of a lot like Windows game programming.
 

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What do you think will happen with PC games developers if 50+% of their potential customers vanish because viable entry-level GPUs have become too damn expensive?
Existing customers will not vanish, at most growth of new customers may slow. And that assumes that the continued beefing up of integrated GPUs that has been eating the low-end GPU market for years does not continue.

If the complaint is that current GPUs do not offer a good price/perf benefit over existing ones but instead just follow that price/perf curve further upwards, then by definition the existing GPU install base among the PC gaming market will continue to be sufficient.
 
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