News Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti with memory mod easily beats RTX 4080 in Superposition benchmark

[Admin]

The benefits of faster memory on an Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super have been ably demonstrated by Brazilian YouTubers. Hardware tinkerer Paulo Gomes and the overclocking team at TecLab both memory-modded RTX 4070 Ti Super graphics cards and overclocked the GPU to boost performance.

Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti with memory mod easily beats RTX 4080 in Superposition benchmark : Read more

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

nVidia: The way it's meant to be played.*

*In a way totally controlled by us to enforce strict performance segmentation and to allow us to show greater generational gains than would be possible if we did not intentionally handicap our products.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

nVidia: The way it's meant to be played.*

Or..

nVidia: They way we are going to play you (suckers)

 

[kiniku]

Love my 4070 Ti Super.

 

[35below0]

Pointless to argue when the GPU is not available and has to be crafted manually. Too few have the skill. And there's no warranty.

Almost like this is a bs article designed to flame nvidia. Not that they don't deserve to be knocked, but they're running a business. They're extracting maximum financial gain from their designs vs overheads, logistics costs, R&D, etc. etc. not max performance gain.
Extracting maximum performance in a way they cannot market or sell is cool for modders and GPU enthusiasts, but not a good idea for nvidia at all.

 

[CelicaGT]

Pointless to argue when the GPU is not available and has to be crafted manually. Too few have the skill. And there's no warranty.

Almost like this is a bs article designed to flame nvidia. Not that they don't deserve to be knocked, but they're running a business. They're extracting maximum financial gain from their designs vs overheads, logistics costs, R&D, etc. etc. not max performance gain.
Extracting maximum performance in a way they cannot market or sell is cool for modders and GPU enthusiasts, but not a good idea for nvidia at all.

It's just proving out what everyone suspected, as a 4070 Ti owner I thought it was pretty cool. A more extensive benchmark suite would have been more interesting, something more representative of the average users gaming catalogue.

 

[bit_user]

Using the Unigine Superposition 8K benchmark to check their handiwork ...

Ha! They had to push it well into territory where it's bandwidth-starved for memory bandwidth to be a real limiting factor.

I'm not invested in the matter enough to investigate further, but if anyone went to the source, please let us know if they also showed performance at other resolutions.

 

[CelicaGT]

Ha! They had to push it well into territory where it's bandwidth-starved for memory bandwidth to be a real limiting factor.

I'm not invested in the matter enough to investigate further, but if anyone went to the source, please let us know if they also showed performance at other resolutions.

I'm not overly fluffed to dig into it further either. All I can say is that at the cards intended resolution (1440p) VRAM overclocks do virtually nothing. GN(?) and others did a dive into this and found VRAM bandwidth only started to be a limiting factor at 4K and above. It's one of the reasons I caved and bought mine (It was on sale too.) as my monitors are both 1440p.

 

[hotaru251]

And there's no warranty.

i'd argue 98% of GPU owners never use it once in their life.

in a way they cannot market or sell

they could easily sell the gpu modded for those who lack the skill.

 

[bit_user]

i'd argue 98% of GPU owners never use it once in their life.

I never buy aftermarket warranties and the main benefit I believe I get from manufacturer warranty is protection against failures in the first 48 h of usage (see also: the infamous "bathtub curve").

So, what I'd do is buy a GPU, stress test it for a couple days, then mod it and just accept the risk the mod goes wrong or there's some long-term failure. Heck, I just modded a motherboard in a way that's guaranteed to void the warranty, so...

they could easily sell the gpu modded for those who lack the skill.

Yeah, kinda like how you could buy pre-delidded CPUs.

 

[35below0]

i'd argue 98% of GPU owners never use it once in their life.

98% of GPUs never RMA'd you say? I don't think so.

Warranty is useful insurance to have. Doesn't matter whether it's used or not.

I never buy aftermarket warranties and the main benefit I believe I get from manufacturer warranty is protection against failures in the first 48 h of usage (see also: the infamous "bathtub curve").

That's largely what it's for. Even with a high quality manufacturing process, some products will be duds. Those typically fail very early on.

they could easily sell the gpu modded for those who lack the skill.

This is completely besides the point.

What you are asking now is that nvidia introduce another GPU in between the 4080 Super and 4090. They would have already done so if it made sense financially. It doesn't.

Just because it's possible to prove a concept like this modded 4070 can work, doesn't prove it can be made to pay.

 

[-Fran-]

Oh look. People with knowledge demonstrating nVidia is full of brown matter when segmentating their GPUs.

Must be a day ending in 'y'.

Sarcasm aside, it's a cool experiment, but highly impractical as the card can't push that many pixels anyway.

Regards.

 

[Vanderlindemedia]

Bit stupid. I bet upon release date of that card only those memory chips where widely available.

ofcourse any card is going to perform better once faster ram is installed.

 

[alixzibit]

This test of a modded Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti with enhanced memory bandwidth outperforming the RTX 4080 brings to light some critical points about Nvidia's strategy and product lineup. This outcome underscores the fiasco surrounding the launch of the RTX 40 series, where Nvidia attempted to market the RTX 4070 Ti as an inferior RTX 4080 SKU. The backlash forced Nvidia to rebrand the 12GB RTX 4080 as the 4070 Ti, revealing how they often manipulate SKUs to maximize profits at the expense of consumers. Sadly AMD is at fault for this, intel perhaps could if ever, atleast leapfrog AMD so that we can reliably have a proper competitor otherwise we will see history repeat again with 50 series as well.

 

[alixzibit]

98% of GPUs never RMA'd you say? I don't think so.

Warranty is useful insurance to have. Doesn't matter whether it's used or not.

That's largely what it's for. Even with a high quality manufacturing process, some products will be duds. Those typically fail very early on.


This is completely besides the point.

What you are asking now is that nvidia introduce another GPU in between the 4080 Super and 4090. They would have already done so if it made sense financially. It doesn't.

Just because it's possible to prove a concept like this modded 4070 can work, doesn't prove it can be made to pay.

Are you forgetting that Nvidia tried to release this as an RTX 4080 SKU and that launch price was significantly higher, but because they were unanimously called out for this BS they rebadged the SKU as 4070 Ti and released a Ti variant especially for x70 tier BEFORE releasing RTX 4070 itself. A concept like this exactly shows if Nvidia wants it can manipulate, create or even destroy any demand for their x70 x80 tiers easily if they really cared for consumers while still keeping significant profit and brand loyalty with them in the process

 

[TheHerald]

nVidia: The way it's meant to be played.*

*In a way totally controlled by us to enforce strict performance segmentation and to allow us to show greater generational gains than would be possible if we did not intentionally handicap our products.

Or..

nVidia: They way we are going to play you (suckers)

Can you enlighten me on what the problem with nvidia is? Maybe I misunderstood something but what I understand is- a 4070ti with faster VRAM is.....faster than with slower VRAM? Isn't that, well, captain obvious stuff? What does that have to do with nvidia? I'm sorry, I'm not the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

 

[TheHerald]

I'm not overly fluffed to dig into it further either. All I can say is that at the cards intended resolution (1440p) VRAM overclocks do virtually nothing. GN(?) and others did a dive into this and found VRAM bandwidth only started to be a limiting factor at 4K and above. It's one of the reasons I caved and bought mine (It was on sale too.) as my monitors are both 1440p.

I've never tested a 4070ti but the 4090 is majorly bandwidth starved. Core overclocks do almost nothing, but OCing memory gets you a nice 9% performance boost.

 

[A Stoner]

The people on these forums seem to be predominantly economic illiterates who think that companies should exist to hand them products and not make money doing it.

OMG NVidia made decisions that ended up making them money!

It is a good thing that the 0.1% of the population that are responsible for the advancement of human knowledge are free to make money advancing us forward.

Back in the early centuries of the last 2000 years most of the 0.1% were restricted and attacked and prevented from even retaining existing human knowledge, and human advancement factually went backwards.

 

[edzieba]

So... what's the cost delta of those faster vRAM dies installed on those boards vs. the stock dies? Because if you make the card faster than the 4080, but also make it more expensive to manufacture than the 4080, then the whole exercise is a wash apart from jamming an extra high-end SKU into the mix that's barely differentiated from the 4080, 4080 Super, and 4080Ti.

Oh, and the card has to be stable in normal use right out of the box, rather than tweaked for a single run of a specific benchmark.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Can you enlighten me on what the problem with nvidia is? Maybe I misunderstood something but what I understand is- a 4070ti with faster VRAM is.....faster than with slower VRAM? Isn't that, well, captain obvious stuff? What does that have to do with nvidia? I'm sorry, I'm not the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

I guess it's just a joke play on words. nVidia has historically segmented the rear end out of each new gen. So, playing on the subject matter, the big headline is 'The 4070ti can beat a 4080'. With the 4xxx series you could argue that each tier is priced too high, or with not enough performance gain or both. But as you said it's obvious stuff. No real headline at all, TBH. This is just an outlier comparison.

 

[gamerk316]

nVidia: The way it's meant to be played.*

*In a way totally controlled by us to enforce strict performance segmentation and to allow us to show greater generational gains than would be possible if we did not intentionally handicap our products.

NVIDIA has *always* tended to have lower memory bandwidth then its competitors (generally ATI/AMD), focusing more on pure shader performance. Yes, they can slap faster memory on their cards, but this also makes their already expensive products...more expensive, for what is generally very little gain.

 

[ManDaddio]

I have superposition. And it's 8K optimized. It's not like full blown everything the highest resolution 8K.

This is definitely not a cost-effective way to increase performance.

Just buy a 4080 super.

NVIDIA GPUs are great though. I dumped AMD a long time ago. Glad I stuck with NVIDIA.

Feature rich, reliable, and always putting out updated drivers.