News Nvidia RTX 4090 pricing is too high, while most other GPUs have held steady or declined in past 6 months — market analysis

[Admin]

We've been gathering monthly pricing data for every "current" GPU for most of the past year. This is done near the beginning of each month, for AMD RX 6000/7000-series, Nvidia RTX 40-series, and Intel Arc GPUs. Here's what the data shows.

Nvidia RTX 4090 pricing is too high, while most other GPUs have held steady or declined in past 6 months — market analysis : Read more

 

[digitalgriffin]

The 4090 D will undermine inflated prices scalpers are demanding for 4090s. The raster and rt will be roughly the same. Just less ai tensor cores. So you can get 4090d for 1600 or pay scalpers 2000+ if you need ai.

Grumpy cat says "Good "

 

[valthuer]

Most of the RTX 40-series pricing has been relatively static, perhaps with a very slight downward trend. The major exception is the RTX 4090, which has shot up from a low of around $1,550 back in June, to over $2,000 at present

This goes on to show that it's 4090 or bust with the 4000 series.

Nvidia did a good job this gen in making the 4090 an out of this world upgrade while the rest of the 4000 series complete garbage.

Probably to boost 4090 sales.

The current 4090 prices are exorbitant, but Nvidia isn't going to lower them when they have no competition.

Business is business.

 

[vanadiel007]

7900XTX is looking very good, considering the price difference with the 4080 and 4090. Combined with the well designed Adrenalin software package, it's a good deal if you ask me.

 

[atomicWAR]

Glad my wife and I got our 4090s at msrp. Scalpers really might destroy PC gaming if this keeps happening every generation or two....assuming Jensen doesn't price everyone out of the market first.

As a high end buyer, most times, I expect to pay for what I get. But its what is happening lower down the stack that concerns me. Being over priced and under performaniant compared to previous gen, things don't look good for mid range PC gamers imho. This needs to change.

 

[valthuer]

Glad my wife and I got our 4090s at msrp. Scalpers really might destroy PC gaming if this keeps happening every generation or two....assuming Jensen doesn't price everyone out of the market first.

As a high end buyer, most times, I expect to pay for what I get. But its what is happening lower down the stack that concerns me. Being over priced and under performaniant compared to previous gen, things don't look good for mid range PC gamers imho. This needs to change.

Yeah, scalpers are a scourge, slightly similar to the miners.

I live in Greece, i bought my 4090 back in June, for 1.920€, and i still think i'm lucky, considering the fact that certain versions of 4090 have gone as high as 3.000€!

You are right about mid-range. Sad thing is, we, consumers, can do little to nothing to change this situation.

Unless AMD or Intel provide the market with some competitive products, i expect this trend to continue.

Of course, the AI frenzy is always around, to make matters even worse: as long as Nvidia keep earning their billions from selling AI solutions, they have zero incentive to lower the prices.

 

[jackt]

waiting rx7600 xt...

 

[emike09]

Ya'll should have just got a 4090 after it was released. It's stupidly expensive, yes, but compared to the 4080 and sub-models and their prices, it was actually a good value compared to them. I bought an MSI 4090 Suprim X 240mm liquid model for $1750. I'm seeing prices as high as $2800 for that model right now.
With the extreme price in mind - the resell price is also very high later down the road. Sure, you'll spend way too much for it now, but you can sell it later and still recoup ~75%+ of the initial cost when the next gen comes out.

 

[valthuer]

Ya'll should have just got a 4090 after it was released. It's stupidly expensive, yes, but compared to the 4080 and sub-models and their prices, it was actually a good value compared to them. I bought an MSI 4090 Suprim X 240mm liquid model for $1750. I'm seeing prices as high as $2800 for that model right now.
With the extreme price in mind - the resell price is also very high later down the road. Sure, you'll spend way too much for it now, but you can sell it later and still recoup ~75%+ of the initial cost when the next gen comes out.

You did well to buy it right from the start. And i don't even think it's too "stupidly expensive" for what you are getting.

It's a quantum leap in performance improvement over the 3090 and it's pretty much the only card that will cap 60 fps in 4K Ultra.

Think about it this way: you paid $1750 for the best GPU that gives amazing performance... and you have no GPU worries for the next 4-5 years at a minimum.

Personally, i can't say i was first in line... I was more late to the party... but I'm here now and I am enjoying it.

Anyway... I would love to know Nvidia's profit margins on the 4090. I honestly have no idea what their cost is.

 

[Phaaze88]

MSI 4090 Suprim X 240mm liquid model for $1750. I'm seeing prices as high as $2800 for that model right now.
... the resell price is also very high later down the road. Sure, you'll spend way too much for it now, but you can sell it later and still recoup ~75%+ of the initial cost when the next gen comes out.

You might not get quite that much back compared to the air cooled ones, but it's still something.
The AIO model has more points of failure, and in the inevitable failure, a replacement cooler may be hard to find for the potential buyer once the AIO keels over... unless they can find only the Suprim X cooler being sold for parts.
[Suprim X and Suprim X Liquid use the same PCB, so the coolers should be interchangeable.]

you have no GPU worries for the next 4-5 years at a minimum.

I dislike that I have no choice but to wait and see how this turns out. I know they don't want a repeat of the 1080Ti any time soon.
Nvidia rather a customer keeps buying their hardware every few years or less, than going for as long as 5. They'll likely create some new feature(s), or improve the current ones enough that'll tempt even 4090 owners to switch.
Argh, is there a psychic who knows the answer?!

 

[tyns78]

The 4090 D will undermine inflated prices scalpers are demanding for 4090s. The raster and rt will be roughly the same. Just less ai tensor cores. So you can get 4090d for 1600 or pay scalpers 2000+ if you need ai.

Grumpy cat says "Good "

So original MSRP for a nerfed card is a win for the consumer? This is the new norm, get used to it. We’re lucky nVidia is using fab capacity to make gaming cards instead of just pumping out higher margin DC cards - which is why they’re charging so much for the gaming cards now. Otherwise, why would they bother?

 

[valthuer]

I dislike that I have no choice but to wait and see how this turns out. I know they don't want a repeat of the 1080Ti any time soon.
Nvidia rather a customer keeps buying their hardware every few years or less, than going for as long as 5. They'll likely create some new feature(s), or improve the current ones enough that'll tempt even 4090 owners to switch.
Argh, is there a psychic who knows the answer?!

Nope. No psychics here. Just a fool, hoping his 1.920€ GPU investment will last as much as possible.

Overly optimistic? Probably.

But a man can always dream

 

[Ogotai]

And i don't even think it's too "stupidly expensive" for what you are getting.

try buying one almost any where that isnt in the USA . 4090s here start a $2230.. thats way to much for a video card for most people.

Nope. No psychics here. Just a fool, hoping his 1.920€ GPU investment will last as much as possible.

Overly optimistic? Probably.

But a man can always dream

more like the person that paid that for which ever gpu they bought, was what they were able to afford, if not barely afford.. sorry, but some people would prefer to be able to eat, or, have a place to sleep for the month.
by the same token, the person that paid what they did for the over priced 4090, is the fool

 

[digitalgriffin]

So original MSRP for a nerfed card is a win for the consumer? This is the new norm, get used to it. We’re lucky nVidia is using fab capacity to make gaming cards instead of just pumping out higher margin DC cards - which is why they’re charging so much for the gaming cards now. Otherwise, why would they bother?

Not for the Chinese market. But it does f over the scalpers a bit. It reduces demand meaning they have increased risk of holding onto a card they can't unload.

 

[valthuer]

try buying one almost any where that isnt in the USA . 4090s here start a $2230.. thats way to much for a video card for most people.

I was only refering to the price he paid for, when he bought the card. 1750$, was considered reasonable back then.

Now that the export restrictions have kicked in, $2230 is pretty much the starting price here in Greece too.

Just out of sheer curiosity: where exactly is "here"? Where do you live?

more like the person that paid that for which ever gpu they bought, was what they were able to afford, if not barely afford.. sorry, but some people would prefer to be able to eat, or, have a place to sleep for the month.
by the same token, the person that paid what they did for the over priced 4090, is the fool

Well, in the 24 years i've been into gaming, 2023 is probably the first year i was able to afford a high-end card, like 4090, so i just wanted to have some fun.

Hopefully, you won't hold it against me

 

[Ogotai]

1750$

still too much for a video card.. but with out knowing which currency it is in, its also hard to say..

2023 is probably the first year i was able to afford a high-end card, like 4090, so i just wanted to have somefun

and you were able to choose the worst year to get the top end card ? kind of makes no sense considering the 40 series is wayover priced to begin with. i know a few people that have bought high end cards, and they wont touch the 4090 cause of the price.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

4090 is too expensive, at times I ask myself why I spent as much as I did but then I think back that this is my first gaming PC and won't be building another for a couple years at least. I talked the scalper down to $50 over MSRP but that was coincidentally when the connector thing happened (which I didn't know about) and he probably just wanted to unload inventory.

While the 7900XTX can at times come close, the 4090 is the undisputed champion this generation in raw performance.

 

[valthuer]

still too much for a video card..

I see your point, but, at the same time, you have to understand that, the old days, when (say) you could get a 1080 Ti for $699, are long gone.

If the 4090 was $699, everybody would have one...

and you were able to choose the worst year to get the top end card ? kind of makes no sense considering the 40 series is wayover priced to begin with. i know a few people that have bought high end cards, and they wont touch the 4090 cause of the price.

4090, is the only 4000 series card worth the purchase. With no other card do you get a 60-80% performance increase over previous gen. That hasn't been seen since when?

Usually, generational upgrades are in the 30% range.

It's honestly the biggest reason I bought it. Would I pay 1.920€ for a 25-30% performance improvement? Probably not. But for 60-80% improvement, I pulled the trigger.

 

[valthuer]

4090 is too expensive, at times I ask myself why I spent that much but then I think back that this is my first gaming PC and won't be building another for a couple years at least.

While the 7900XTX can at times come close, the 4090 is the undisputed champion this generation in raw performance.

Exactly. Even 7900 XTX, has some problems at 4K. 4090, has none.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

Exactly. Even 7900 XTX, has some problems at 4K. 4090, has none.

And turn on RT (and FG if that's your thing) and it's done deal.

7900XTX is undeniably a good card for the money but has its clear limitations. Each card has its target audience and that audience knows what they want and will get out of the card.

That's why I don't like pissing matches between Nvidia and AMD crowds. Like what you like and enjoy it. They aren't being paid to be a fanboys, so stop being a shills and look at things objectively.

 

[valthuer]

And turn on RT (and FG if that's your thing) and it's done deal.

Been there, done that, had no issues so far.

7900XTX is undeniably a good card for the money but has its clear limitations.

Of course it is - just not good enough for what i needed.

That's why I don't like pissing matches between Nvidia and AMD crowds. Like what you like and enjoy it. They aren't being paid to be a fanboys, so stop being a shills and look at things objectively.

Not anyone's fanboy. During the past, i have owned GPUs from all camps: Intel, AMD and Nvidia.

Not much interest in pissing contests either.

I do look at things objectively. If i weren't, i would never have called the rest of the RTX-40 series complete garbage.

If AMD had the better card, i wouldn't hesitate to purchase it, but that wasn't the case.

Don't really care who's name's on the hardware i buy, as long as it's good enough for what i need it.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

Been there, done that, had no issues so far.



Of course it is - just not good enough for what i needed.



Not anyone's fanboy. During the past, i have owned GPUs from all camps: Intel, AMD and Nvidia.

Not much interest in pissing contests either.

I do look at things objectively. If i weren't, i would never have called the rest of the RTX-40 series complete garbage.

If AMD had the better card, i wouldn't hesitate to purchase it, but that wasn't the case.

Don't really care who's name's on the hardware i buy, as long as it's good enough for what i need it.

RT referring to that AMD has historically struggled with RT, not that the 4090 does unless bad optimization.

I'm not saying you in particular about fanboy part. I'm just saying I hate that that's even a thing and people compare them like that in general.

"Don't really care who's name's on the hardware i buy, as long as it's good enough for what i need it."
Mostly applies to me but there are AIBs I avoid.

 

[valthuer]

RT referring to that AMD has historically struggled with RT, not that the 4090 does unless bad optimization.

I'm not saying you in particular about fanboy part. I'm just saying I hate that that's even a thing and people compare them like that in general.

"Don't really care who's name's on the hardware i buy, as long as it's good enough for what i need it."
Mostly applies to me but there are AIBs I avoid.

Terribly sorry i took your statement the wrong way.

I'm Greek and my understanding of the English language can be pretty bad at times.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

Terribly sorry i took your statement the wrong way.

I'm Greek and my understanding of the English language can be pretty bad at times.

No need to apologize, English language gets misinterpreted between English speakers themselves online all the time. You're doing just fine my friend.

 

[ManDaddio]

Yeah, prices go up for the flag ship GPUs all the time about a year later in the cycle.
The number of flagship GPUs by then usually shrink. Scalpers know this. And if things like crypto or government bans kick in, those never help the situation.
I got my 4090 for $1650 in Dec. 2022.
The GPU just spanks every game. RT is no problem and DLSS rocks.
NVIDIA will always be my go to until AMD well surpasses NVIDIA on all fronts.
I've been waiting for that for a long time. It's not about fanboyism. It's about features I love. Raster is not everything to me. It's good to have both though.
The 4090 provides that experience.