News Nvidia RTX 6000 Ada Now Available: 18,176 CUDA Cores at 300W

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Nvidia's GA102-based RTX 6000 Ada with 18,176 CUDA cores is now selling for between $6,800 and $8,600.

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[Kamen Rider Blade]

Whomever came up with the name just made things needlessly confusing.

Why the eff are they calling it the RTX 6000 when their mainline consumer Video Cards are called RTX #000 series?

We're currently on the RTX 4000 series

In 2x generations, there is going to be a literal name collision with RTX 6000, unless they plan on starting a brand new naming scheme all together.
Granted that has happened before, but still.

I thought they planned on Using <Letter Generation>#### as their new Professional WorkStation card Product Naming Scheme.

After 1 generation of use, they throw it away?

Now they're just calling it RTX 6000 Ada Generation ?
How is that a good naming scheme?

It was better when they used the Quadro name and everybody knew what was their Professional WorkStation line.

 

[anonymousdude]

Whomever came up with the name just made things needlessly confusing.

Why the eff are they calling it the RTX 6000 when their mainline consumer Video Cards are called RTX #000 series?

We're currently on the RTX 4000 series

In 2x generations, there is going to be a literal name collision with RTX 6000, unless they plan on starting a brand new naming scheme all together.
Granted that has happened before, but still.

I thought they planned on Using <Letter Generation>#### as their new Professional WorkStation card Product Naming Scheme.

After 1 generation of use, they throw it away?

Now they're just calling it RTX 6000 Ada Generation ?
How is that a good naming scheme?

It was better when they used the Quadro name and everybody knew what was their Professional WorkStation line.

To make matters worse there's an Quadro RTX 6000 that's fairly recent too. So you've got Quadro RTX 6000, RTX A6000, and now RTX 6000 Ada Generation. Absolute genius here by Nvidia.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

To make matters worse there's an Quadro RTX 6000 that's fairly recent too. So you've got Quadro RTX 6000, RTX A6000, and now RTX 6000 Ada Generation. Absolute genius here by Nvidia.

To: Jensen Huang, CEO of nVIDIA.

FIRE the idiot on your Marketing Team, whomever was the one who that thought this naming scheme was a good idea, they deserve to be FIRED ASAP!

 

[catavalon21]

You can't make this stuff up. Used to be their pro cards ran DP at 1/2 the 32-bit rate but the spec sheet for the RTX 6000 doesn't mention it. That, and some error correction and other goodies, justified the cost.

 

[Ar558]

Yeh this is just stupid, although I doubt anyone will actually accidentally by a $7k GPU without doing the research.

 

[JDJJ]

Imagine paying $7000-$8000 and it doesn't have DisplayPort 2.1. Jensen is really being stubborn about this. Sure, there's been a bit of a catch 22 about adoption...DP 2.1 has been out a few years now, but the card makers got complacent with crypto sales, and the monitor makers weren't making the update without supporting cards. But AMD cards now come with DP 2.1 support, and monitors from Samsung and others are rolling out with 2.1 support as we speak.

We've now hit the upper bounds of what DSC compression can do with DP 1.4a's limited bandwidth. This is especially true for creators who have demanding requirements, e.g. a larger color space, etc. But even more problematic is that these newer cards are being held back. We are already seeing the 4090 bump up against the upper limits of 1.4a's bandwidth, and DSC does come at a cost as well ... there's no such thing as a free lunch. While many consumers won't notice the problems and limitations of compression and/or bandwidth limits playing PUBG, professionals should be hesitating about paying a premium over non-Ada versions of pro cards, or upgrading with such a handicap and lack of future-proofing.

I can only think either Jensen and Team Green have gotten so complacent they think as long as you post a bump in processing power, they'll sell out, even if the interface becomes a problem. Or maybe marketing is worried about the optics of updating to 2.1 in the pro card, while assuring the masses that 1.4a is all they need, having misjudged where the market was moving while trying to maximize profits in the wake of the loss of crypto sales. We can only guess at their motives, but at the end of the day, missing the boat on DP 2.1 will probably mean some professionals will see insufficient improvement in this card vs a previous model, especially at the price premium, to justify purchasing now.

I'll be curious to see what happens when AMD fixes their alleged issues with clock speeds on RDNA 3 and puts out a contender to challenge or surpass RTX 4090, such as an RX 7990 XTX rumored to be planned for 2023. If that forces NVIDIA to put out a 4090 Ti, it will certainly need to support DP 2.1 in order to compete, and to show actual gains over the 4090. Where will that put the RX 6000 Ada? Will they quietly update that as well?

 

[KyaraM]

This seriously is confusing. Who even thought that up?

Imagine paying $7000-$8000 and it doesn't have DisplayPort 2.1. Jensen is really being stubborn about this. Sure, there's been a bit of a catch 22 about adoption...DP 2.1 has been out a few years now, but the card makers got complacent with crypto sales, and the monitor makers weren't making the update without supporting cards. But AMD cards now come with DP 2.1 support, and monitors from Samsung and others are rolling out with 2.1 support as we speak.

We've now hit the upper bounds of what DSC compression can do with DP 1.4a's limited bandwidth. This is especially true for creators who have demanding requirements, e.g. a larger color space, etc. But even more problematic is that these newer cards are being held back. We are already seeing the 4090 bump up against the upper limits of 1.4a's bandwidth, and DSC does come at a cost as well ... there's no such thing as a free lunch. While many consumers won't notice the problems and limitations of compression and/or bandwidth limits playing PUBG, professionals should be hesitating about paying a premium over non-Ada versions of pro cards, or upgrading with such a handicap and lack of future-proofing.

I can only think either Jensen and Team Green have gotten so complacent they think as long as you post a bump in processing power, they'll sell out, even if the interface becomes a problem. Or maybe marketing is worried about the optics of updating to 2.1 in the pro card, while assuring the masses that 1.4a is all they need, having misjudged where the market was moving while trying to maximize profits in the wake of the loss of crypto sales. We can only guess at their motives, but at the end of the day, missing the boat on DP 2.1 will probably mean some professionals will see insufficient improvement in this card vs a previous model, especially at the price premium, to justify purchasing now.

I'll be curious to see what happens when AMD fixes their alleged issues with clock speeds on RDNA 3 and puts out a contender to challenge or surpass RTX 4090, such as an RX 7990 XTX rumored to be planned for 2023. If that forces NVIDIA to put out a 4090 Ti, it will certainly need to support DP 2.1 in order to compete, and to show actual gains over the 4090. Where will that put the RX 6000 Ada? Will they quietly update that as well?

Iirc, AMD already said there will be no refresh aka fix, or at least that's what I read. They seem to concentrate on the successor.

 

[Friesiansam]

Whomever came up with the name just made things needlessly confusing.

Why the eff are they calling it the RTX 6000 when their mainline consumer Video Cards are called RTX #000 series?

We're currently on the RTX 4000 series

In 2x generations, there is going to be a literal name collision with RTX 6000, unless they plan on starting a brand new naming scheme all together.
Granted that has happened before, but still.

I thought they planned on Using <Letter Generation>#### as their new Professional WorkStation card Product Naming Scheme.

After 1 generation of use, they throw it away?

Now they're just calling it RTX 6000 Ada Generation ?
How is that a good naming scheme?

It was better when they used the Quadro name and everybody knew what was their Professional WorkStation line.

To make matters worse there's an Quadro RTX 6000 that's fairly recent too. So you've got Quadro RTX 6000, RTX A6000, and now RTX 6000 Ada Generation. Absolute genius here by Nvidia.

To: Jensen Huang, CEO of nVIDIA.

FIRE the idiot on your Marketing Team, whomever was the one who that thought this naming scheme was a good idea, they deserve to be FIRED ASAP!

Anyone actually in the market for this kind of GPU, will have done their research and know exactly what they are buying.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Anyone actually in the market for this kind of GPU, will have done their research and know exactly what they are buying.

Maybe, but it also leads to needless confusion.

 

[JDJJ]

This seriously is confusing. Who even thought that up?

What are you confused about? Linus Tech Tips did a video about the 4090 saturating the bandwidth available on DP 1.4a with DSC compression, and the downsides to DSC. From this point forward, any card with better performance will need more bandwidth to see those gains realized on the screen and justify a higher cost.

 

[renz496]

You can't make this stuff up. Used to be their pro cards ran DP at 1/2 the 32-bit rate but the spec sheet for the RTX 6000 doesn't mention it. That, and some error correction and other goodies, justified the cost.

Not all nvidia pro card run at DP at half rate of FP32. This go as far back fermi generation. Also ada lovelace architecture are not built for FP64. so even the top chip you will not going to have FP64.

 

[KyaraM]

What are you confused about? Linus Tech Tips did a video about the 4090 saturating the bandwidth available on DP 1.4a with DSC compression, and the downsides to DSC. From this point forward, any card with better performance will need more bandwidth to see those gains realized on the screen and justify a higher cost.

The utterly stupid naming scheme maybe? Like the other posters before me?

 

[BFG-9000]

Huh, maybe they intend to skip the 5000 series altogether because of the negative dustbuster/hairdryer connotations from the last time when their FX 5800 Ultra was 77dBA (louder than my generator or air compressor). Then the next consumer gen could be RTX 7000 and workstation RTX 8000

Nah, they'll just also call it RTX 6000 so uninformed price checking consumers will "discover" it used to be $8000 and is now only $2000 two years later. Such a deal!

Or perhaps they hired the marketing person responsible for "USB 3.2 Gen 1" from the USB consortium

 

[Firestone]

It uses one 12VHPWR (16-pin CEM 5.0 PCIe) power connector for power delivery, so it will require an appropriate cable adapter to fit into existing machines that do not have a native 16-pin connector.

This part is actually a little troubling, since IIRC the lower-tier models used a single 8-pin connector

keep in mind that the power connector on these cards is usually positioned on the "end" of the card, facing towards the front of the PC case, as opposed to gaming cards that usually have the power connector on the "middle" of the card somewhere facing towards the side of the case. The significance of this is if you already had e.g. fans or a radiator on that front panel. I know when I installed my RTX A4500, the power cable ended up having to bend quite a bit in order to not end up inside the front panel fan blades, and still sits precariously close to the fan. Now if I wanted to upgrade, I would need some kinda adapter for my PSU to get enough power in, but any kind of adapter is likely gonna eat up a lot of space and probably wont fit well. Bummer. My dreams of a 7950X/96GB/RTX 6000 Ada mITX build have been shaken 😟

 

[KyaraM]

This part is actually a little troubling, since IIRC the lower-tier models used a single 8-pin connector

Which lower-tier models are you talking about here? So far, all Ada cards have a 16-pin power connector. The difference with the adapters is the amount of 8-pin connectors to the adapter, which ranges deom 4 (RTX 4090) to two (RTX 4070T). But they all have the new connector, and I doubt they will go back any time soon...

 

[Firestone]

Which lower-tier models are you talking about here? So far, all Ada cards have a 16-pin power connector. The difference with the adapters is the amount of 8-pin connectors to the adapter, which ranges deom 4 (RTX 4090) to two (RTX 4070T). But they all have the new connector, and I doubt they will go back any time soon...

my RTX A4500 uses a single normal 8-pin

gaming cards are not really relevant here, these are enterprise cards not gaming cards