Nvidia Speaks!!

sargeduck · Sep 12, 2003

Nvidia has responded to Valves comments.

<A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/" target="_new"> Here </A>

Hmmm, to me, it sounds like they are trying to make themselves look like the innocent little child, while Valve is the big mean nasty wolf.

No matter where you go, there you are.

coolsquirtle · Sep 12, 2003

GO TEAM NVIDIA 😉

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Cassius105 · Sep 12, 2003

what do they mean they dont know why valve didnt use det 50

gabe newell came out and blatantly said he thinks the optimisations went to far and was pissed at nvidia 😛

spud · Sep 12, 2003

They didnt use em buddy at Valve seems pretty pissed at Nvidia. Personally I think hes takeing his opinions where they shouldnt be. The fact that Valve actually build a code path around what Nvidia needs is a sign there is internal dispute over a few things. Its all good though since my cards performance is gonna get knocked up a little bit here should be a good time for me.

-Jeremy

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Sep 12, 2003

Personally I think hes takeing his opinions where they shouldnt be.

Personally, I think you're taking your opinion from where the sun don't shine.

The fact that Valve actually build a code path around what Nvidia needs is a sign there is internal dispute over a few things.

Doesn't show me any dispute at all. Valve built the code-path not for nV but for nV's unfortunate customers. I think this recent 'expose' simply shows that Valve doesn't Give a Faq about what nV thinks. This helps Valve (they try to help nV owners) while seriously hurting nV's credibility/reputation. The fact that DX9 is a standard, and one of the purposes of universal standards is to reduce the work for coders, and yet only the FXs need a special code path (requiring alot of extra work), simply shows that the 'Way it's meant to be played' may not always be the best way for consumers. Like [H] says, all this extra coding has to increase the development cost/time (was this the cause of the delay in release?), which of course is passsed along to us the consumer, and me (as an ATI owner) I don't benifit AT ALL from all this extra time/cost!

And no it's not all good, it's in fact very bad. Yipee you will get knocked-up performance. Yet it will still suck when compared to the ATIs, and at what cost?

One can only hope nV learns from this and makes sure that their future products are more 'universal'. The only bright spot may be that we will see the NV40 (and thus likely the R420) arrive to market way ahead of initially scheduled (and hopefully THAT doesn't hurt it).

Only time will tell, but it doesn't look good coming around the first turn.

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spud · Sep 12, 2003

[-peep-] you and yer opinion too ass munch...

-Jeremy

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Sep 12, 2003

Once again the orifice speaks.

I shall dub thee, 'The Orifice of Delphi!', as Mr Potato Head just seemed to obvious. :evil:

Thanks for your well thought out reply, at least this time it was more comprehensible.

MMmm Peeps, Diabetic Shock Treatment!

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phial · Sep 12, 2003

Its all good though since my cards performance is gonna get knocked up a little bit here should be a good time for me.

if nvidia had gone with DX9 specs and not needed workarounds on a hardware level and and cheats in the drivers, then your card would perform alot better and not need tweaks and visual quality reductions to achieve barely playable framerates ^_^

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phial · Sep 12, 2003

Doesn't show me any dispute at all. Valve built the code-path not for nV but for nV's unfortunate customers.

exactly. i bet alot of people with 5200ultra's are going to be walking back in the store returning their copy of HL2, because their 5200ultra or 5600ultra arent playing it fast enough.. Nvidia wont hear about this, Valve will, from stores and lost sales

Nvidia has LIED so much about the GFFX that its not even funny

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GeneticWeapon · Sep 12, 2003

Spud.
You are the stupidest person on the forum.

shadus · Sep 12, 2003

Nah, most people just wont have a fraction of the options turned on. Hell most of the hardcore players wont have most of the eyecandy on... fps is more important than it being uber pretty. I've pushed off buying anything until next generation, I'm curious to see what nvidia and ati do next...

Shadus

cleeve · Sep 12, 2003

Yes, Spud is way off base.

It's in every developers best interest to get their software to work with the largest hardware base.

The reason Vavle is pissed at Nvidia is because they have had to spend 5 times the amount of manhours to code a vendor specific path for Nvidia, when Nvidia has been advertising their superior "Cinematic graphics".

And because of Nvidia's market share, they can't just abandon the inferior hardware... they HAVE to support it. So they are forced to watch many years of their life's work get played on tons of people's machines at low visual settings... settings it was never meant to on DX9 hardware... but unfortunately, Nvidia's "cinematic" GeforceFX cannot handle it.

As a developer, I'd be pissed too.

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ufo_warviper · Sep 12, 2003

So they are forced to watch many years of their life's work get played on tons of people's machines at low visual settings...

That really does suck. Why hath nVidia forsaken us?

My OS features preemptive multitasking, a fully interactive command line, & support for 640K of RAM!

spud · Sep 12, 2003

I DONT KNOW!!!*spud cries some more*

-Jeremy

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sargeduck · Sep 12, 2003

there there, here's some tissue for you.

Oh, and here's a mop for you. You seem to be doing a lot of crying recently, and the floor of your corner is getting a little wet. Now if you exuse me, I'm going to go play some dx9 on my 9600 Pro.

As each day goes by, I hug my 9600Pro just a little tighter.

TheGreatGrapeApe · Sep 12, 2003

Wait you PLAY on your R9600P? Man I just run Demos. COOL COOL DEMOS! Look at the siny surfaces. Seriously the games are great (CHASER's my current FPS of the month), but it's truely the demo's that just blow me away. I sit there open jawed. WOW, look at all the sparkle-sparkle!

I just wish those same Dumba$$ who gave me a hard time about 3Dmk03 were still around playing up how crap the ATI line is and how it doesn't reflect ANY kind of gaming scenario. Yeah it's flawed, it's far from perfect, but it had it's place, until it got 'optimized'.

Anywhoo, back to work....

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ufo_warviper · Sep 12, 2003

Anyone who would be arguing against ATI like that would have to be completley insane.

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eden · Sep 13, 2003

Say hi to Flamethrower.

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sargeduck · Sep 13, 2003

LOL, yeah, I beat chaser about a week ago. Very good game, and I really enjoyed it. It's unfortunate, but this great game is seriously under rated.
My vid card handled this game beutifully, considering the rest of my system is outdated.

As each day goes by, I hug my 9600Pro just a little tighter.

ufo_warviper · Sep 13, 2003

Forgot about him. You mean he STILL argues in nvidia's favor after THIS!?!? PapaSmurf too?

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eden · Sep 13, 2003

I would not be surprised. I can't wait to see Papa's response. Then again Papa's the spokesperson of hypocriticism. I'd tell you more but it's best we speak that out elsewhere such as the OTHER forum.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Sep 13, 2003

Sargeduck, I love playing the Mutliplayer death matches. Lots of fun, especially DeathMatch w/ 16 people in a VERY small map. Constant mayhem. Hehe!

Underrated for sure. Alot O' fun though.

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ufo_warviper · Sep 13, 2003

So, what is this Chaser game like?

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Sep 13, 2003

Very much like Raven Shield... IN SPACE (x-play like voice)

The Multiplayer loses the 'other worldly' aspects.

<A HREF="http://www.chasergame.com/index.php?lang=en&rid=748" target="_new">Here's</A> their website. Download the MP Demo, that's what I've been focusing on. Alot of fun actually.

<A HREF="http://www.chasergame.com/index.php?lang=en&rid=748" target="_new">http://www.chasergame.com/index.php?lang=en&rid=748</A>

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endyen · Sep 13, 2003

Have you tried the Jedi 3 demo. It was good, but sure took a lot to set up.

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