News Nvidia vs AMD vs Intel: Last 12 Months of GPUs Are Disappointing

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I'm ready for a new system. but waiting for Nvidia 50XX gpus when they finally appear .hopefully using pcie-5
I'm hoping for a big jump in performance . and Z790 motherboards will be cheaper by then(or superseded)
my 3080 will hang on till then (y)
 

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My biggest GPU disappointment in the last year is when I found out that Premiere Pro still isn't compatible with Arc GPUs, at all.

So those encoders don't do much good when your infinite-money-forever video editing software subscription can't use them.
Maybe that's part of why everybody and their dog are switching to DaVinci resolve.
 
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I totally get why many PC users are disgusted with the current trend in graphics cards and have decided to just sit this generation out. Most of the newest GPUs, are overpriced mediocrities, while, in some cases, the lesser 4000 series cards don't even outperform their 3000 series counterparts. No wonder desktop GPU sales hit a multi-decade low. We shouldn't expect things to get better, any time soon.
 
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Depressing market we'll probably be stuck with until 2025. Hoping RTX 5000 / RX 8000 series isn't such an abysmal failure to gamers. Intel is interesting but plagued with new platform problems and still priced high if you want a gpu with more than 8gb of VRAM.
 

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hopefully using pcie-5
I’d like it if they would make them support PCIe 5.0 x16 even if the GPU only needed PCIe 3.0 x16. Then we could limit them to PCIe 5.0 x4 and divert the other 75% of those scarce PCIe 5.0 lanes for some other devices.

The ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme can split off PCIe 5.0 lanes down to x4 for the second PCIe slot, but sticking a current generation PCIe 4.0 card in it effectively limits it to PCIe 3.0 x8 which is too much of a performance degradation.
 
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>To say that this generation has been a disappointment sums up how most people are feeling.

It's a matter of expectations. Consumers expect GPU price/perf to advance by X amount per gen, and the current gen has not. To be clear, price/perf has advanced this gen, just not enough to meet people's expectations.

People are naturally self-centered, and they only care about what's good for them. But the same applies to Nvidia/AMD, and those companies only care about their bottom line. Then, it's reasonable to expect they would prioritize AI products in view of the much larger profit those bring, at expense of consumer graphics. That both AMD and Nvidia are doing this, despite being competitors, only emphasizes the prudentness of this course. If we were in the companies' shoes, we would do the exact same thing.

Frankly, it's been wearying to read of the same banal lamentation and insults hurled at the companies every time there's a piece on GPU perf and/or AI profits. There is no greed or malice involved. It's just good business sense. The reality is what it is, and it's petulant and childish to keep tilting at windmills and wish it can change in your favor, simply by venting on an online forum.

>Hopefully, history will repeat that pattern, and the next generation RTX 50-series, RX 8000-series, and Arc B-series parts will deliver much more compelling price and performance

I doubt that. My forecast for the next GPU gen is that it'll largely be the same as this gen, with marginal (~10%) improvement in price/perf. Generative AI does have value, much more than crypto, and it looks to have staying power. This means that consumer graphics will be second banana for the foreseeable (~5 years) future. The days of ~30% increase per gen are over. I don't have a problem with this, no more than $5+/gallon for gas.

The consumer graphics market is dominated by the Nvidia/AMD duopoly. Again, this isn't due to malice or some evil master plan, just simple market consolidation. The limited competition means that consumers don't have much leverage, and it's a largely captive market. Judging from Intel's Alchemist line, Battlemage will not substantively change this picture.
 
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In wild euphoria 2000s, new GPU meant new DirectX. Without new GPU, Far Cry, Crysis would look washed out like N64 which gamers hate.
970, 1070, 2070.. every gen gained 20-25% on previous xx80. 40xx are ridiculously overpriced. RT is nice but old. Real problem is most games are made for PS5, so the last 5 years they all look the same.
 

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At the time I got a great deal on my 3080 at $1299. I was feeling good about it for 6 months at least. :rolleyes:
About a year later I got a great deal on a reference 6800 for my living room itx at $530 used.

The lackluster improvement/dollar plus the bad taste in my mouth from the crypto boom drained all of my interest in this gen.

Then I picked up an A750 new for $290 because it seemed fun and new and wasn't that much. It is still a bunch slower than the other two, but when I try it after a while I often find that it works better than before, which is a treat.

But what I have seems fast enough for the next year or two. If the 5080 is 25% faster than the 4090 for $1200, maybe. AMD seems like they won't offer high end so that leaves Intel Battlemage. If they have a 3080 competitor at 2 slots, 200w, $600 that would interest me more than the 5080. I just play 4k60/1440p60 depending on the game and pc and more than $1200 seems like a waste for ultra vs high.
 
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Hopefully, history will repeat that pattern, and the next generation RTX 50-series, RX 8000-series, and Arc B-series parts will deliver much more compelling price and performance

tbh I doubt it.

Nvidia saw how ppl still bought em during the pandemic price scalping & that basically gave em the "all good" signal to scalp the customer themself.

Jensen needs more elather jackets after all.
 
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My biggest GPU disappointment in the last year is when I found out that Premiere Pro still isn't compatible with Arc GPUs, at all.

So those encoders don't do much good when your infinite-money-forever video editing software subscription can't use them.
Maybe that's part of why everybody and their dog are switching to DaVinci resolve.
That's on adobe/etc tho. Arc's Xe Video stuff (or whatever is their quicksync equivalent) exists and can do all the same things nvenc/nvdec can do. So if an application doesn't support it, don't support the application by buying it.
 
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You want to know why they're so disappointing?


nVidia and AMD make a fortune off the enterprise level gear, so they don't need to sell consumer volume, so they keep the prices high. Until this changes, changing the GPU is going to be like changing a PSU, a once a decade (or longer) task.
 

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I totally get why many PC users are disgusted with the current trend in graphics cards and have decided to just sit this generation out. Most of the newest GPUs, are overpriced mediocrities, while, in some cases, the lesser 4000 series cards don't even outperform their 3000 series counterparts. No wonder desktop GPU sales hit a multi-decade low. We shouldn't expect things to get better, any time soon.
I don't know about mediocre, but they definitely are overpriced.

What is needed is some actual good old-fashioned competition. Until someone launches a video card that smashes Nvidia's teeth in, we are going to see more of the same.

AMD doesn't want to put out the effort or expense to do it. And Intel has had so many fits and starts over the last 20 some odd years, I doubt they can.

I'm holding out for the Chinese to bring the necessary competition to shake things up.
 

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I was actually impressed moving from a mobile 2060 to a 4060. Obvious. But It was improvements in areas other than the raw speed that got my attention. I can now encode AV1 video at lightning speed and with good quality output (I never got good encoding video quality from a video-card before)., With DLSS 3, I get 4x the performance- on a larger 2560x1600 vs 1080P screen! I also get the speed from a very portable 14" ultrabook size rather than the much larger/thicker 15" that was the smallest notebook 2060 could fit in.
 

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Other things I want to comment on,

>Intel doesn't have a previous generation with which to compete — unless you want to somehow count integrated graphics.

Speaking of which, my impression is that Intel's Raptor Lake Ultra line will have a substantially better iGPU by dint of chiplets. I'm looking forward to this. It's been a long time since iGPUs (and APUs) have gotten some love, and any improvement here would be welcomed.

>If you can't wait any longer, in our view, the best current options consist of the RTX 4090, RX 7900 XT, RTX 4070, RTX 4060, and Arc A750.

I'd generalize this to buy whatever GPU you need, when you need it. Don't wait, because the overall picture won't markedly improve over time. Don't pin your hopes on the next gen.

But the one suggestion I'd make is to adjust one's expectation. +10% gen improvement is likely to be the new normal going forward.

Even if AI wasn't a thing, expecting a 30% annual perf increase, at the same price point, wasn't going to be sustainable, simply by going from the 4090's gargantuan size and its 450W power draw alone. The formula of upping the power, and the size to dissipate that power, was clearly at its end.

No surprise then that Nvidia is leaning on its expanded feature set instead of raw power to make its case of improved "value." I understand the enthusiast crowd and hardware review sites dismissing this approach as mere marketing, and only concentrate on FPS count as the main metric. But I think this is where we're headed. In a few years, even a 10% bump would probably an optimistic target to hope for.

Speaking of expanded features, I'm mulling over the notion of Nvidia reducing the 4060's RAM allotment and bus width to exclude it from being a poor man's AI accelerator, and possibly cannibalizing low-end sales of its AI products. It doesn't take a genius to figure that a $10K A100 can buy a lot of 4060s. It's probably why the 4090 is tagged at $1.6K, because the $10K A100 is the new reference point.
 
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Apart from the 4090 ( being the beast that it is ) which within its self wasnt cheap and the intel arc 770 16gb which i give them a hall pass due to a somewhat solid entry into the market !!

Everything else has been so so to flat out disgusting..

while i love my 7900xtx red devil AMD needed a true flagship to trade blows with the 4090 ..

I may sound bias here to my 7900xtx red devil but for its price performance over the 6900xt red devil ( which i also own ) i think it made good sense to buy it !!

The 4080 was over priced ..

the 4080 12gb / 4070ti was a joke !! ( but i think it is a okay and only a okay card to buy even if 12gb is a bit low over the 20gb the 7900xt is offering )

AMD lacking in RT performance was a hit for them even if better than last gen not to mention the vapor chamber issues on the reference 7900xtx's ( when they needed everything to go really smooth it didnt )

The 7900xt was a bit shady at release due to AMD really aiming it at the 4080 12gb but hanging on to the price for to long after the 4070ti was released and using it as a upsell to the 7900xtx..

the 4070 is a upsell product for the 4070ti nothing more !

the 4060ti 16gb is the pig of the generation in my honest opinion it exists only to sell over the 8gb rubbish and it cant even perform properly because its nerfed with the low bus speed !!

the 7600 4060 all 8gb versions are flat out disgusting !!

the 3 things that are positives this gen is

1. RT is becoming a REAL thing now ( as in more people are asking where is my RT performance in my GPU AMD's actual effort to supply better RT performance shows that )

2. is that AMD moved from monolithic die to MCM looking to pioneer new tech and i suppose doing a OKAY job for first gen !!

3. is ive been really impressed with Intel ARC770 ( of which i own ) it was buggy and a bit piggy at launch but Intel have shown real support and determination to fix the issues with the ARC series cards which in turn gives me hope that in a few gens they could be scaring the other two !!
 
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I waited and waited and waited for pricing to come down on the 3080s. I put myself on a wait-list. And over a year passed with no word. The fact is these GPUs were being sold to crypto bros first. There wasn't a chance I was going to get one and I gave up.

So I heard the rumblings of another GPU shortage. I started looking. And fact is prices on higher end GPUs are slowly heading back up.

7900XT cheapest were ASRock and XFX $789
7900XTX cheapest were XFX $989

The reason being is these cards have a high amount of memory which is essential to AI.

And I'm starting to see cards sold out. Even lower end stuff with low memory. This is factor 2. Both AMD and NVIDIA are switching production to AI specific hardware. There's so much more money in AI. GPUs to consumers are breadcrumbs. This is not a boom that will die easy as large groups of people use AI now. Even my wife uses grammerly. And a number of websites are using large language models to make suggestions. Amazon uses AI to summarize user reviews of products. Amazon also uses AI to make suggestions. This is a way different situation than crypto that was a niche market.

Determined not to get caught in another 3080 situation I bought a 7900XT ($789 for an xfx) before Christmas rolls around and I have to potentially pay an absurd amount for one. That's still way too much money for what should be a 6800 pricing. ($650.). That naming it a 900 class card is bs. I hate it when marketing treats us like dummies.

If I get another card, I'll be looking at Battlemage and giving both AMD and NVIDIA my kindest french even if they offer an amazing performance upload for similar money.
 
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I haven't been nearly as disappointed in the cards themselves as I have been with pricing. These manufacturers got so used to charging 3-4X standard market pricing and just decided to continue the go with it. I would love a new 80 series card, but I like my $1200+ more.
 
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