Question Nvidia vs AMD ?

[bignastyid]

now 2060 evga

So a gpu upgrade would give you the more noticeable boost, then doing a cpu upgrade later would give you the gpu's full potential.

 

[palladinoandrea]

thats actually pretty fair tbh

yes, it's balanced now I think

 

[Avro Arrow]

This is how I make decisions like this...

COST:
The RX 7900 GRE costs $550. (100%)
The RTX 4070 Super costs $600. (109%)
The RX 7900 XT costs $700. (127%×GRE, 117%×Super )

VRAM:
The RTX 4070 Super has 12GB of VRAM. (100%)
The RX 7900 GRE has 16GB of VRAM. (133%)
The RX 7900 XT has 20GB of VRAM. (167%×Super, 125%×GRE)

PERFORMANCE:
RTX 4070 Super (100%)
RX 7900 GRE (102%)
RX 7900 XT (120%)

The RX 7900 XT is 18% faster than the RX 7900 GRE and has 25% more VRAM for 27% more money.
The RX 7900 XT is 20% faster than the RTX 4070 Super and has 67% more VRAM for 17% more money.

Going by this, I would choose the RX 7900 XT if all cards are within my budget.

 

[palladinoandrea]

This is how I make decisions like this...

COST:
The RX 7900 GRE costs $550. (100%)
The RTX 4070 Super costs $600. (109%)
The RX 7900 XT costs $700. (127%×GRE, 117%×Super )

VRAM:
The RTX 4070 Super has 12GB of VRAM. (100%)
The RX 7900 GRE has 16GB of VRAM. (133%)
The RX 7900 XT has 20GB of VRAM. (167%×Super, 125%×GRE)

PERFORMANCE:
RTX 4070 Super (100%)
RX 7900 GRE (102%)
RX 7900 XT (120%)

The RX 7900 XT is 18% faster than the RX 7900 GRE and has 25% more VRAM for 27% more money.
The RX 7900 XT is 20% faster than the RTX 4070 Super and has 67% more VRAM for 17% more money.

Going by this, I would choose the RX 7900 XT if all cards are within my budget.

Doesn't the 7900xt with the technology not perform like an Nvidia?

 

[Avro Arrow]

Doesn't the 7900xt with the technology not perform like an Nvidia?

Which technology?

 

[SyCoREAPER]

More VRAM is generally a good thing but the cards will choke on modern games before you can fill them up.

From a raw standpoint, AMDs will be slightly better. HOWEVER, developers are getting lazier by the day and relying on DLSS (Nvidia) and FSR (AMD) to run their games.

DLSS is the more dominant and better looking tech. It also has Framegeneration. Nvidia you can run DLSS (w/Frame gen) or FSR (no Frame gen). AMD can only (without paid hackery) do FSR, so if a game doesn't have FSR or only FSR 1, you'll be in for a rough time.

In short, I'd go with Nvidida personally if you want something now. If you wait however, I'd wait until next generation. Outside of the 4090 by Nvidia this year's offerings from NVIDIA and AMD are pretty weak.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

One thing I will say about nvidia I’m not fond of. The last couple of generations when they released the newer versions of dlss for example, they locked out the previous generation from that feature.

In other words if you bought a 3090, even though it’s still a good card, pretty sure you can’t use the latest dlss versions on it. So if you go for an nvidia gpu now, in a year or two you may find that kind of situation. AMD seems to have more open standards and in fact I think some of the new fsr versions work with the older nvidia gpus. Which is kind of funny that amds tech may be making some of those cards last longer.

My personal opinion, I just prefer the amd cards. They seem like they keep getting better and for the most part seem reasonably priced for comparable performance. I’d say the biggest thing is if you want to do ray tracing, the nvidia cards are better at that, but I think amd is making progress in that direction. But the amount of vram may come into play at some point. Which amd cards typically have better options in that regard.

Anyway just my 2 cents.

 

[jordanbuilds1]

Doesn't the 7900xt with the technology not perform like an Nvidia?

quick question, do you game at 1440p or 4k?

 

[Eximo]

One thing I will say about nvidia I’m not fond of. The last couple of generations when they released the newer versions of dlss for example, they locked out the previous generation from that feature.

You are not wrong. AMD often builds their hardware out with the intention to add capabilities through software later. Their FSR solution also applies to Nvidia and Intel GPUs, so they also improve their competitors while they are at it.

Nvidia tends to build their hardware and software simultaneously, so cross generational improvements tend not to work. They added support for ray tracing for the 10 series, but you would be a fool to enable it. You do get basically all the performance you are going to get out of a card the instant you get it, or a game launches. AMD and Intel get better over time, so you can look at it both ways.

Yes, the 30 series and below can't do frame generation, only DLSS 1 and 2. DLSS 3 is exclusive the 40 series.

AMD has also added frame generation to the latest FSR, but it has not seen wide adoption in games yet.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Yes it depends what you are wanting. In my opinion if you are someone who keeps the cards longer go amd. If you want the latest features for the current time then you likely are looking towards nvidia. But amd seems to be closing the gap in the midrange.

But as far as the cards lasting longer from amd, put it this way, how many people were buying rx 580s until a few months ago on budget builds? At least if you look at YouTube, many of the reviewers were recommending those for budget builds. Some may still be.

 

[palladinoandrea]

quick question, do you game at 1440p or 4k?

1440p

 

[palladinoandrea]

This is how I make decisions like this...

COST:
The RX 7900 GRE costs $550. (100%)
The RTX 4070 Super costs $600. (109%)
The RX 7900 XT costs $700. (127%×GRE, 117%×Super )

VRAM:
The RTX 4070 Super has 12GB of VRAM. (100%)
The RX 7900 GRE has 16GB of VRAM. (133%)
The RX 7900 XT has 20GB of VRAM. (167%×Super, 125%×GRE)

PERFORMANCE:
RTX 4070 Super (100%)
RX 7900 GRE (102%)
RX 7900 XT (120%)

The RX 7900 XT is 18% faster than the RX 7900 GRE and has 25% more VRAM for 27% more money.
The RX 7900 XT is 20% faster than the RTX 4070 Super and has 67% more VRAM for 17% more money.

Going by this, I would choose the RX 7900 XT if all cards are within my budget.

4080 at 973 euros is good price?

 

[Avro Arrow]

4080 at 973 euros is good price?

That depends on the price of an RX 7900 XTX in the same area. If the XTX is only €900, then no, €973 is not a good price. It also depends on whether or not you think it's worth paying more for an 8GB reduction in VRAM.

 

[Avro Arrow]

wdym?

2K is 1440p. He wants to play at 1440p and the cheaper RTX 4060 is not up to that task in performance or VRAM. For 1440p, the minimum card that I recommend is the RX 6700 XT because it has solid 1440p performance with 12GB of VRAM.

 

[palladinoandrea]

but therefore the use of rt and dlss is not convenient?
The price of the xtx in Italy is 928.50

2K is 1440p. He wants to play at 1440p and the cheaper RTX 4060 is not up to that task in performance or VRAM. For 1440p, the minimum card that I recommend is the RX 6700 XT because it has solid 1440p performance with 12GB of VRAM.

 

[jordanbuilds1]

amd has really good 1440p cards for cheap, heck, there last gen cards are still doing good 1440p

 

[palladinoandrea]

amd has really good 1440p cards for cheap, heck, there last gen cards are still doing good 1440p

from the benchmarks I read that in rt and dlss nvidia wins unfortunately

 

[jordanbuilds1]

from the benchmarks I read that in rt and dlss nvidia wins unfortunately

remember tho, fsr, and also you can use that on older cards, and still, amd is alot cheaper.

 

[palladinoandrea]

so nvidia makes no sense?

remember tho, fsr, and also you can use that on older cards, and still, amd is alot cheaper.

 

[jordanbuilds1]

so nvidia makes no sense?

i mean, unless you want rtx, amd is really a better choice.

 

[palladinoandrea]

i mean, unless you want rtx, amd is really a better choice.

I have always been for the xt and only that I sell the benchmarks I saw that unfortunately Nvidia has dlss and rt on its side, fsr on the other hand leaves a little to be desired

 

[jordanbuilds1]

I have always been for the xt and only that I sell the benchmarks I saw that unfortunately Nvidia has dlss and rt on its side, fsr on the other hand leaves a little to be desired

it really comes down to budget tho, amd is most of the time known for price to preformance in the budget world, but nvidia is known for being quite expensive for the price but still offers great preformance, i would recomend nvidia for super high end builds, but amd for the budget.

 

[palladinoandrea]

it really comes down to budget tho, amd is most of the time known for price to preformance in the budget world, but nvidia is known for being quite expensive for the price but still offers great preformance, i would recomend nvidia for super high end builds, but amd for the budget.

well, then if fsr is updated and rt in amd is almost similar, the matter changes

 

[jordanbuilds1]

keep in mind, its still actively being updated, btw what gpu are you using rn

 

[palladinoandrea]

keep in mind, its still actively being updated, btw what gpu are you using rn

indeed, between the two (4070s and 7900xt) which of the two wins both in terms of time lag and between fsr and dlss?
Unfortunately, having the old card, I can't play the new titles