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The price per hash is gonna have to get a lot more competitive compared to gaming GPUs, if they want miners to pick these cards over gaming GPUs. Folks seem to be finding code to bypass the "LHR" code in newer gaming GPUs, at least in part.
 
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bollwerk said:
The price per hash is gonna have to get a lot more competitive compared to gaming GPUs, if they want miners to pick these cards over gaming GPUs.
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Agreed. However, this is the path to put an end to miners using gaming GPUs over the long term.

Conspicuously absent from this article is the hash rate of the 170HX. Rumor has it that the hash rate of the CMP 170 is 164MH/s, which would be quite a large jump from a RTX 3090 or RX6900XT.

Ultimately AMD and Intel will need to introduce their own lines of miner cards with a higher hash rate than the top end gaming GPU. It creates a product-line wall of separation between miner and gamer.
 
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Ultimately AMD and Intel will need to introduce their own lines of miner cards with a higher hash rate than the top end gaming GPU. It creates a product-line wall of separation between miner and gamer.
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Part of the reason consumer video cards are so successful in mining is because of their relative affordability, granted by the low prices of sharing with the gaming GPU architecture.

So to create something different would require a different line, or use something from the server line.

When it comes to Ethereum memory bandwidth is king. So it would need HBMx technology to make it faster. That means high price. Most will continue to ignore "mining optimized" cards and just use the consumer cards.
 
The GPU mining problem will never get solved, unless crypto mining dies altogether. And that has very low chances to happen... outside of world wide fatal factors like WW3/biggest economic crash ever.

The best we can hope is to alleviate the problem a little with intel joining and more GPUs production, but that's about it. It will never be again like it was some years ago, pricing included...
 
Glad I'm more interested in research and development of GPU apps and graphics rather than gaming. Going from a few hundred dollars to several thousand dollars just for gaming hardware is a waste.
 
maik80 said:
The problem with a card like this is that miners can't resell it as easily as gamer cards
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The resale value may be a significant concern for the home miner who needs to squeeze every dollar out of a GPU to break even, not so much for large-scale miners who will run GPUs until they either break or aren't cost-economical anymore, at which point they have limited resale value which may not be worth the resale hassle and liabilities.
 
Meh , Nvidia (and others) should focus on low voltage mining cards that gives the same results .. not release the same GPU for mining. I dont know why they are ignoring this all together , Miners will leave the gaming market if you give them a chip with at least 50% lower TDP that delivers the same income.
 
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Mining GPU for $4300 only counts if you are buying several dozen of them.
And then, only if you are stealing electricity.
And then, only until you get caught and can let your patsy got to jail for a couple of months.
 
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elementalRealms said:
Meh , Nvidia (and others) should focus on low voltage mining cards that gives the same results .. not release the same GPU for mining. I dont know why they are ignoring this all together , Miners will leave the gaming market if you give them a chip with at least 50% lower TDP that delivers the same income.
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It's called crypto because it's encoded for security, so the card has to do a certain amount of work which takes a certain amount of power, the only way to change that would be for nvidia or amd to crack the security and find a shorter way to do the same work with some asic, a thing that would make the crypto not be crypto anymore...

The only other way would be for them to skip a few decades and bring out a super advanced GPU of the future that doesn't need any power anymore.
 
bollwerk said:
The price per hash is gonna have to get a lot more competitive compared to gaming GPUs, if they want miners to pick these cards over gaming GPUs. Folks seem to be finding code to bypass the "LHR" code in newer gaming GPUs, at least in part.
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You are missing the point. Density. 167MH/s in a two slot configuration can vastly increase your hashrate overall versus 3090 cards at 100-120 MH/s occupying two or more slots worth of space. However, the tricky part is the x4 requirement for PCI-E.
 
TerryLaze said:
It's called crypto because it's encoded for security, so the card has to do a certain amount of work which takes a certain amount of power, the only way to change that would be for nvidia or amd to crack the security and find a shorter way to do the same work with some asic, a thing that would make the crypto not be crypto anymore...

The only other way would be for them to skip a few decades and bring out a super advanced GPU of the future that doesn't need any power anymore.
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You dont need to crack the code to make it run faster .. all what you need to know that math behind it and accelerate them.
 
elementalRealms said:
You dont need to crack the code to make it run faster .. all what you need to know that math behind it and accelerate them.
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We know the math behind it, and the cracking thing was just hyperbole from me because there is also no way to crack it other then what we already do, crypto works by using hundreds of bits worth of hexadecimal data as password and the only thing you can do is to randomly try combinations until you find the right one, this is determined by how fast your hardware is, there is no trick you can do to make it faster or use less power.
 
TerryLaze said:
We know the math behind it, and the cracking thing was just hyperbole from me because there is also no way to crack it other then what we already do, crypto works by using hundreds of bits worth of hexadecimal data as password and the only thing you can do is to randomly try combinations until you find the right one, this is determined by how fast your hardware is, there is no trick you can do to make it faster or use less power.
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How do you know ?
 
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