OCing a 939 Athlon64 X2 4400 (Toledo)

Hello there!

I want to know some opinions about this:

I'm upgrading to a 4870X2 this month and i know that my Athlon is going to bottle neck it like a granny on a speedy lane, so i want/need to OC it or replace it with an old FX (FX-60 me thinks).

My specs are:

- Athlon64 X2 4400+ (Toledo: 2x1Mb L2 @ 2.2Ghz)
- DFI Lanparty NF4 SLi-D
- 2Gb (512x4) Corsair CMX512-3200C2 (2.5 3 3 7 @ 400Mhz)

Opinions on my card selection are also welcome, since i'm having a hard time thinking if it is indeed the right choice. Why? Because if i put 2x9800GTX the PCIe bridge is WAY slower than the one from the 4870X2 and it's gonna cripple it's performance even more (not sure though).

Esop!
 

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Well...Fx-60's seem to be going for about 250+/- on Ebay.
for the sake of argument an E7200 C2D is 119.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115052 and an asus p5n is around 150-170 here's an open box for 98.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131232R . That would be 220.00 memory is really cheap. lol next thing, you'll have a whole new computer and be beating your head against the wall like me...misery loves company I guess.
How ironic I'm just dying and building a new system and have almost the same specs as you do. It hurts cause this rig cost me an arm and a leg and I thought it would be somewhat future proof. I'm still not sure I'm doing the right thing. What am I going to do with my 939 rig?
 
Thanks for your reply.

And, it is some-what future proof. I mean, this X2 might not be as fast as a C2D7200, but it sure does it's job and i can't complain. Intel hit me hard when I bought this rig... I bought it 2 weeks before the C2D was announced, lol.

The thing you point out is quite true. Now, OCing it saves me like 250 and keeps it in game for a little longer. I could try but i don't know how far i can push it.

I think i can go close to 2.6Ghz but that's it. When i bought it i went to 2.4Ghz (FSB OC, HT x4, same Vcore) with no sweat. Maybe i can get some pointers to get farther.

As usual, pointers and suggestions welcome =D

Esop!
 
Ok, a little update.

I can't pass the 2.4Ghz barrier on this 4400+.

I have "FSB" OC on it (220Mhz) and runs at 2.420Mhz with 37ºc IDLE and 58ºc FULL LOAD. No +VCore, no HT multi down.

It has AS5 (Artic Silver 5) on it, the nF4 has as well with a Vantec ICEBERQ (copper) and the X1800XL has it also on it's stock cooling solution. I'm afraid of the stock cooler might not keep up.

What's my safety margin here? 69ºc? Should i get an after market cooling solution for it?

Any little help is very appreciated.

Esop!

EDIT: I forgot to mention that i have Cool n' Quiet on. Should i turn it off?
 

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O my, yes you definatly want an aftermarket cooler if your gonna try to push a good OC with that chip. Im using the AC Freezer64 Pro, and it works quite well. You want to keep your temps below 60C.

You will need to do some reduction to your memory speeds as you increase the FSB, start with the DDR333 option(May be listed as dividers on your DFI board, mine is an Abit) as well as reducing the HT link speed. There were tests run awhile ago that showed you could get by with as little as 350Mhz on the HT link, so dont worry about it running slow, drop the multi to 3x.

Dont worry too much about increasing voltages, my Opteron165 went from 1.8Ghz to 2.6Ghz without any additional voltage. I would expect that you should be able to get into that same 2.6Ghz range without more juice.
 
Thanks for your reply, dude.

Now, unfortunately stores around here don't have much variety (i live in Chile). I have my eyes on a Zalman 9700, but it is very expensive. Should i get a TT Max/Blue/Ruby Orb? There's also a TT Big Typhoon.

I don't know much about HSFs, so i can't tell wich one is the best suited here. Any suggestions?

Esop!
 

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The Zalman is a great choice but as you said, expensive, check out frostytech.com for reviews on the models you have available and that should aid in your decision.
 
Thanks again for the reply, dude.

Ok, so far i have this:

- Zalman CNPS9700: 16.5ºc, 56.5dBA and 22.5ºc, 37.5dBA
- TT MaxOrb: 17.7ºc, 57.4dBA and 21.0ºc, 45.7dBA
- CM GeminII S: 18.3ºc, 49.6dBA and 28.6ºc, 36.0dBA
- TR Ultra-90: 18.2ºc, 56.2dBA and 23.3ºc, 40.0dBA

That's testing a 125W heating source according to frosty. I know my 4400+ has 130W peak at stock, so those numbers are kinda low when i say OC.

The MaxOrb seems very loud, but does it's job at almost half the price of the Zalman and has little diff, but I have a concern. That's at 125W, but OCing me thinks my 4400 will reach 160W easily. How will it scale with, let's say, the GeminII S? That little sweety is almost 15 bucks cheaper than the MaxOrb XD

Esop!