yeah, i bought the 5000+ be for my mom's machine. its pretty nice. i set it to run at 2.8 ghz (to get full memory speed) and it runs fine. it did get a little warm, but not like my 4000+ at same speed. i fully broke in my 4000+ and at 2.4ghz it runs at 84F idle...104F full load while gaming. anyways, im poppin that 4000+ into a server, and i just bought the 5400+ off the egg for, guess what? 5 bucks CHEAPER (inc shipping) than what i got my moms 5000+ for two months ago...so really, i paid 10bucks less for it. i think 10dollars cheaper is worth the STABLE 200mhz. i hope this thing rocks, guess i will gather my water parts back out, get some new tubing and water wetter, and go to town!!! be back later with results of my oc, and i pretty much will leave this at stock..no need to oc (already has 800mhz ram control) oh, and yeah, her 5000+ did NOT come with cooler...oh well!!!