Oculus VR CTO John Carmack Talks Facebook Acquisition

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"I am a true believer in market economies, and the magic of trade being a positive sum game" A.K.A I'm a true believer in a big payout just like anyone who works with stock perks or any other sort of vestment is. I can't blame him. My wife gets stock perks at her start up company as well and we have high hopes for it.
 

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Don't read this, it's got Facebook cooties! Seriously, anyone would think from all the butthurt whining that Zuckerberg's money was a different colour, or something. I'm not a big fan of Coca-cola but that doesn't stop me from enjoying Ghostbusters.
 

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Time will tell, but Berkman was essentially right.

At this point in time Carmack doesn't want to upset his new employer, his answers are as P.C. as apologetic.

Ii think Oculus changed the entire kickstarter industry; gone are the days when people would support new tech based solely on trust, and you'll see more and more supporters adopting/demanding some sort of investment-based return. This, in turn, will make more and more of them to just bid their time and wait, to maximize their chances of success (just like FB did here, they did not act until they were sure it took off, so to speak), and the end result will be less funding from pure enthusiasts. The whole kickstarter process will turn into a waiting game, in effect killing the whole idea behind it.
 

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Listen, in other words it's going to be harder and harder to get rid of your 'online carbon footprint'. It's going to be harder to remain anonymous. Why would you be exposed to all these info jargon? I love Oculus Rift don't get me wrong, but pretty soon facebook will control the way we use it by putting crappy ads or thumbs up to certain views or god-knows what else? =(
 

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I never understood Kickstarter. You're basically providing free startup funds for some guys to start up a business so they can then become millionaires?If Oculus Rift had not gotten all that money for free, they might have gone out and asked for real investment. I might then have been able to invest in them, and so might everybody else.
 

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I hope Mr. Zuckerburg compensates those that invested in the company earl.... what am I saying, of course he won't. That's the problem with kickstarter I suppose, you know the risks, any jerk can waltz off into the sunset with your money, with no repercussions. You know the guys that started this business are now able to retire, because they sold out on a dream that you paid for? Yep.
 

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My 'online carbon footprint'? Because Eeeeeeaaaarth.Here's the thing. These guys sold out, no ifs, ands or buts. And this cop-out, that they all append to their excuses, that "we'll have access to FB's piles of cash," is a straw man. I had Los Angeles investors calling these people 24/7, trying to throw money at them. They couldn't get through!!!If Palmer Luckey went back to Kickstarter and said, "Hey guys. We need another $50M to put this on store shelves," he'd have had it in no time. No time!Bottom of the line, these guys took the payout; no question about it. And now, if you buy Oculus, you're buying Facebook. And in my opinion, f*ck Facebook.
 

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So many people here are up in arms for no reason. OR got a great start with kickstarter, but $2 billion backing from FB is going to take it to the next level. Kickstarter wasn't a waste of time nor was the FB buy a slap in the face to Kickstarter supporters of OR.It was kickstarter that gave them time and money to improve their design and to show the world what they wanted to do. This is what got the attention of FB and made the purchase possible.Now instead of some small niche divice made by some relatively small company, they got one of the world's biggest businesses behind them.The naysayers of this buyout are short sighted and waffling around for no reason.
 

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wow...did i just read the most naive and uneducated statement from John Carmark EVER?" I do have reasons to believe that they get the Big Picture as I see it, and will be a powerful force towards making it happen. You don't make a commitment like they just did on a whim."when interviewed by the WSJ, Brendan Iribe can be quoted as commenting:"I would never have imagined we could have gotten this thing done in a few days."REF from Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/21dy3k/wsj_irebe_i_would_never_have_imagined_we_could/and WSJ: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/03/25/oculus-ceo-describes-rapid-sale-to-facebook/RAPID SALE and $2 BILLION DOLLARS DO NOT go together and magically equate to "well-thought-out"This whole thing might just have been orchestrated by Iribe, railroaded Palmer and Carmack was ignorant of the whole thing.(this is a copy from my view on the matter from my G-plus page)
 

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Good grief people. When you fund a kickstarter project you are not buying a stake in a company, you're simply helping an idea get off the ground. And to that end, the Oculus kickstarter did just that, it helped make the idea of an affordable VR headset come to fruition. That's in itself is the payoff!Oculus took the steps need to go mainstream with their product, which has always been there goal. Some people seem to think that Oculus should have remained some kind of indie project, but Palmer has always been clear that they are trying to change the entire world with VR, and unfortunately that takes not only a vast amount of money, but infrastructure as well.
 

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More or less what I was saying a few days ago. Go figure, I was met by hordes of snarling PC enthusiasts who acted like Kickstarter donations gave them controlling stake in the company.

This is the best thing that could have happened to OR, what the OR team likely wanted from the beginning, and the donations from people made it happen. Instead of being happy that this company has been given the chance to get their idea off the ground in ways that kickstarter scraps would have never made possible, people are melodramatically acting betrayed.

Now, cue another accusation that I work for Facebook or some such...
 

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Carmack added that he didn't have anything to do with the acquisition. He spent one afternoon talking technology with Mark Zuckerberg, and then next week he finds out that Zuckerberg actually bought Oculus VR."So he had everything to do with it? Seriously you probably inadvertently turned his mind to shit from how smart you are and made the Rift out to be the next coming of Christ.
 

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Carmack added that he didn't have anything to do with the acquisition. He spent one afternoon talking technology with Mark Zuckerberg, and then next week he finds out that Zuckerberg actually bought Oculus VR."So he had everything to do with it? Seriously you probably inadvertently turned his mind to shit from how smart you are and made the Rift out to be the next coming of Christ.
 

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"Facebook will know where you're looking, what you're doing, and how long you do it. The social site may even cross-reference that VR data with all the other information they already have on a billion people. This data won't be released to the public, but used as a way to make Facebook more revenue."This is reason enough to never buy an Oculus Rift.
 

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I couldn't care who owns it to be honest, But if an advert pops up ANYWHERE in my game and ruins the experience the Oculus Rift will be going through the real world window followed by soundwaves with lots of f words in it!
 

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This is pure fear-mongering with no substantiating evidence, not to mention that it defies all reason. The entire device would go down in flames if there was even the slightest suspicion that it was being used to secretly spy on you. I cannot imagine the people on the Oculus team standing for it, nor Facebook being dumb enough to try it.

That said, I fully believe that Facebook will make their own social software for the rift, which you can optionally consume knowing that your activities will be tracked in the same manner that the Facebook website does.
 

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Really people that use kickstarter have no idea what they are doing.Everyone thinks they funded Oculus VR and are an investor hence the butthurt over FB but thats not what we kickstarted.The kickstarter WAS NOT to fund the Oculus VR company. The kickstarter was to get the DK1 produced and in the hands of devs so that there would be software for the RIFT when it is released, after all who would by something if they had nothing to use with it?Yes after the big success on kickstarter they acquired some VC funding and if no one pledged on the kickstarter then that very well may never have happened and Oculus VR may not exist today.But that still doesn't change what it was people were pledging for. Maybe they wanted to help the company succeed and grow or they thought that's what they were pledging for, the company and not ONLY the DK1 which everyone recieved. But that is their fault for not knowing what they were pledging for when it was spelled out in black and white and video. The kickstarter had nothing to do with funding the company only funding the DK1.It's as if someone did a kickstarter to make a game, they made the game and all the kickstarters got it, then a year later EA comes and buys the company for $1B and everyone on kickstarter chucks a tantrum cos zomg we kickstarted that company (no you kickstarted that single game) with our money and now they've gone and got rich off it!!! those bastards!! how dare they!!! no sorry you kickstarted a game not a company, maybe they sold the company for alot because of that game, but your involvement and contribution ended once the game was completed.
 

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I've never before been so quickly disinterested in an exciting new product as I was with the Oculus when it was acquired by Facebook.
 

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1. Start a company overnight2. Start a Kickstarter campaign taking everybody's disposable income promising a product3. Build hype with the money from Kickstarter4. Sell to Facebook5. ???6. Profit
 

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Maybe Kickstarter should set their program up to allow for supporters to get credit towards stock shares in case the product develops into something big. Will I have to open a Facebook account to use the Oculus VR?
 

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Burnie Burns from RoosterTeeth talked a lot about this in the last Patch podcast. If you look at Facebook's record of not messing with the companies it buys, it should be a reassuring feeling. Look at Instagram, they purchased them and generally left it alone. Same thing goes for WhatsApp and their messaging. Facebook would do well to leave Ocululs Rift to its own devices for them to make the best product possible. I hope that Facebook would provide native Rift support for it's Facebook API platform, but that it would also provide support for 3rd party developers that wanted to integrate it to other places (PC gaming, Mac, Android/iPhone maybe, etc.).Weird that technically John Carmack is a Facebook employee. Bet no one saw that coming 5 years ago.
 

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This is pure fear-mongering with no substantiating evidence, not to mention that it defies all reason. The entire device would go down in flames if there was even the slightest suspicion that it was being used to secretly spy on you. I cannot imagine the people on the Oculus team standing for it, nor Facebook being dumb enough to try it. That said, I fully believe that Facebook will make their own social software for the rift, which you can optionally consume knowing that your activities will be tracked in the same manner that the Facebook website does.
How "optional" do you think it will be?
 
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