Official Benchmarks: Radeon 4850/70 PWNAGE! (Anand does it!)

[dattimr]

id like to draw ur attention to wards this

ATI was never so strong in ISV (Independent Software Vendor) marketing support and it never really had a tool to fight Nvidia's "The way it’s meant to be played". ATI's Get in the game marketing program didn't really get ATI far in the game but ATI did managed to get some cool titles.

ATI collaborated with Valve on Half life 2 and Half Life Episode One with its legendary vouchers and we have to admit that this worked really well for ATI as they sold a lot of Radeon 9600 and 9800 just because of that voucher that cost them a few million.

This is supposed to get to the next level as ATI will soon announce partnership with Blizzard the publisher behind Warcraft series, Diablo universe and Stracraft, games that are ultra popular especially in Asia.

Nvidia got most of EA and Ubisoft games under The Way it’s meant to be Played and ATI will get Blizzard which will definitely help its position in the GPU market.

from fud, i think this must be that partnership with intel kicking in, its looking bad for nvidia right now, The way it’s meant to be played is dead long live Get in the game and dx10.1

Damn! I was about to post that... Hahaha. Good one!

Here's the link, though: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8036&Itemid=34

Blizzard is kicking nowadays. It's such a *GREAT* time for DAMMIT! I can almost see it: "Starcraft 2 - Radeon Optimized" FTW!!!

:lol:

 

[quantum112]

ATi - The Way YOU Want to Play It (and then some)...

 

[lameness]

Woah hold on a min, lets not get carried away.

Nvidia aren't going to crumble into dust overnight...they are still in a much stronger position.

4870 should beat the 260gtx with a bit of luck, but remember nvidia will soon go to 55nm and this will allow for higher clocks on the 260/280. I wouldnt be surprised if they also launch some kind of dual core solution to compete with and almost certainly beat the 4870 x2.

 

[nachowarrior]

the AA performance is definitely a massive improvement, massive enough to actually outdo nvidia's AA and we all thought that nvidia's AA performance was pretty darned good... So i mean, at the price this card is at now (175 with mir, and 199 without) it's a pretty nice deal, and at the price it will be in 2 months... it'll be even better. I can't wait to see what the 4870 does... The results from this 4850 (the baby mainstream card in the series) is making my scratch my head for the 4870. anyway, good gaming, and if anyone wants to buy me this card, or buy a computer from me, let me know.

 

[dattimr]

Woah hold on a min, lets not get carried away.

Nvidia aren't going to crumble into dust overnight...they are still in a much stronger position.

4870 should beat the 260gtx with a bit of luck, but remember nvidia will soon go to 55nm and this will allow for higher clocks on the 260/280. I wouldnt be surprised if they also launch some kind of dual core solution to compete with and almost certainly beat the 4870 x2.

Yeah, but that's supposing that they won't have problems shrinking their massive GPU into 55nm. BTW, 9800GT should have been out by now. Perhaps they are having some issues?

 

[nachowarrior]

they should just make like, a dual card setup... one can be nothing but a giant 55nm gpu and the other can just be a massive array of gddr5, only make like all of it be like a 1024 interface.... that card would rock... and be like 4 grand... oh... and take enough power that your psu would actually need to be a small thermal nuclear reactor. hahaha. "nvidia! our logo is green, and now you are too!" j/c

in all seriousness.... somebody buy my pc dam*it! hehe.

 

[ninjaquick]

they are comparing TWO 4800s to ONE GTX280... not a real good comparison there. Even the 3870x2 is close to a single GTX280. stop posting fanboy crap from biased hardware review sites. AMD is dying they just dont know it yet... Hector forgot to read the memo. I hate a lone intel senario prices gonna fly through the roof. On a side note i hate seeing ATI dragged down by AMD , that has to be the biggest Corporate blunder in history for a company.

yeah, its fanboyism when a 650 dollar card cant compete with its own cheaper siblings (9800GX2) let alone 2 midrangers from the enemy.

 

[ninjaquick]

I wouldnt count on that price. With 4870s a few weeks behind the 4850s and with if that type of performance shown by Tweaktown review holds up you'll be lucky to get your hands on any 4850 below $250.

look at newegg, they can be had for 177 (S&H included)

 

[ovaltineplease]

Because we all know the 9800GX2 runs cool and quiet and hardly outputs any heat... NOT!

If you want cool and quiet get the Asus passive cooled 9600 GT, see how far you get with it.

 

[The_Blood_Raven]

Hey, ovaltineplease the [H]'s review or 3D Guru's review about the GTX200 series benchmarked an SLI'd GTX280 and they could not get the system to run with a 1000w PSU, and since the system they were using was not overclocked and did not use many harddrives or any fans and accessories that were not need that is significant. This applies here since the GTX260 is not much better in power consumption. Also somewhere I read that the GTX280 kept overheating in an open-air test rig, that is very bad. Again, the GTX260 is not much better. Hope this helps.

 

[spotless]

just trade 9600gt to 8800 amp 512 & find out the last optimized driver for 8800gt was 175.16

at 175.80 the biostar 9600gt + ac 1 rev 2 @ 725 / 1100 perfom better than my zotac @ 720 / 1100 @ 175.16!

with 16 AA & AF i was getting no lag using 9600gt, & with 8800GT it gives some lag (not the connection) any advice? tk

 

[rangers]

Woah hold on a min, lets not get carried away.

Nvidia aren't going to crumble into dust overnight...they are still in a much stronger position.

4870 should beat the 260gtx with a bit of luck, but remember nvidia will soon go to 55nm and this will allow for higher clocks on the 260/280. I wouldnt be surprised if they also launch some kind of dual core solution to compete with and almost certainly beat the 4870 x2.

hold on the 4870x2 communicates through the memory not crossfire so it could end up faster than 2x gtx280 in sli if they get the scaling and drivers right so you could be way of with that statement we just don't know until the benches touch down

 

[ovaltineplease]

Hey, ovaltineplease the [H]'s review or 3D Guru's review about the GTX200 series benchmarked an SLI'd GTX280 and they could not get the system to run with a 1000w PSU, and since the system they were using was not overclocked and did not use many harddrives or any fans and accessories that were not need that is significant. This applies here since the GTX260 is not much better in power consumption. Also somewhere I read that the GTX280 kept overheating in an open-air test rig, that is very bad. Again, the GTX260 is not much better. Hope this helps.

You know, you've posted on this forum long enough to know that 12V amperage matters a great deal more than wattage when it comes to supplying graphics cards with power. Suffice to say a top quality 1000watt unit is going to be able to do this.

If you removing the stock cooler from the gtx280 and apply good thermal paste it will bring down the temperature considerably.

For that matter though, a number of people are already running gtx280 in Tri SLI in torture tests without them overheating - so i'd credit it to 1 bad card spoiling the bunch (3) so to speak in situations like that.

I mean crap, tweaktown has already benched 3 Gtx280 in SLI and they were very critical of it, and they never complained about power instability as far as I recall, and i'll even check their conclusions to be sure. -ed; Tweaktown used 1620watt power supply for gtx280 Tri-SLI with a QX9650 oc-ed to 4ghz, so apparently it was stable in that configuration.


http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1466/3/page_3_test_system_setup_and_3dmark06/index.html

1620watts is probably total overkill, but I wouldn't be surprised if it took that much either. Dual 9800GX2 was a very high draw setup too, so adding a 3rd to that would definitely shoot it up there.


more edit:

http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html

Nvidia recommends: 1200watt-1500watt for gtx280 TRI-SLI, and 1000watt to 1200watt for gtx260 TRI-SLI

So, if for any reason you have a problem with it, then i'd say it would be grounds for a refund from whichever company you either A: bought your SLI-Certified power supply from or B: whomever you brought your GPU from.

 

[ovaltineplease]

hold on the 4870x2 communicates through the memory not crossfire so it could end up faster than 2x gtx280 in sli if they get the scaling and drivers right so you could be way of with that statement we just don't know until the benches touch down

That would really be great, because it means that AMD could raise its bar even higher with the 4870x2 performing higher than 2 4870s ideally

 

[The_Blood_Raven]

Actually I think the PSU used in the testing was an Enermax Galaxy S, which is an amazing power supply. I understand what you are saying, that is why I never quote the "rated" load wattage of the GTX200s, but rather the problems had with a very nice PSU. The thermal paste will help yes, but not by much, you must remember that these cards will heat up your system in a bad way, the problem with computer cases. In an open-air rig you don't have to worry nearly as much about that, because there is much more air to absorb the heat, which keeps the temps down. I'm just saying that the ridiculous power and heat requirements on those cards kill it for me, since I like performance AND stability. I am merely trying to help you, please do not take it like an insult. If you paid a lot of money for a nice SLI configuration, I strongly suggest you wait until the refresh of these cards so that they are not so demanding. You made a good point as well, with numbers as high as these there is bound to be a LOT of variation, I'm sure the review I read had gotten a card that was hotter than most, but that still does not mean you will not. Anyway, if you end up with 2 GTX260s then I sincerely hope I am wrong.

 

[dattimr]

Hoaaaaa! *NEWS* about "4870X2"!!! Here it goes: http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7878.html

According to a slide published over at OCXtreme R700 will have "2nd generation PCI Express bridge design + next generation GPU interconnect for improved scaling". Along with the vague description of the card is a screengrab from 3DMark Vantage and a complete run of the eXtreme Preset. GPU-Z shows four RV770 GPUs, which means two Radeon HD 4870 linked via CrossFireX.

"4870X2" FTW!!!

 

[ovaltineplease]

thats really good news for the 4870x2

 

[modtech]

So if 4870>4850>3870 I can't imagine how freaking powerful 4870x2 will be with this advanced interconnection design.

 

[dario77]

It only wins one or two real benchmarks? The OP should be banned for the title or apply for a job at MSNBC or CNN.

at first, i found this wildly inappropriate, but then i considered it.

at least msnbc and cnn are capable of making up their own stories. fixed noise channel has to have their made-up stories fed to them by the administration.
rupert murdoch even admits this, publicly...

OT, i know.....but really, it had to be said.

 

[hannibal]

My feeling is the 9800GTX+ SLI would be better say from 1440*900-1680*1050 with AA enabled, and the 4850 crossfire will beat it at 1920*1200 with AA enabled

Reasonable good ques! 4850 seems to better with higher resolutions and AA, so this may be quite close the truth and cf has have a little bit better scaling. Hope to see some two cards tests in the future.

update: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3338&p=16

Hmm... some problems in cf scaling in many games, but when it does wrk, it works well indeed!
4870x2 is starting to look good. Let's hope that it is not ower hyped...

 

[dattimr]

4870 benchmarked: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hkepc.com%2Fforum%2Fviewthread.php%3Ftid%3D1007750%26extra%3Dpage%253D1

It's not like Tom's or Anand, but... Looks good.

 

[3Ball]

4870 benchmarked: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hkepc.com%2Fforum%2Fviewthread.php%3Ftid%3D1007750%26extra%3Dpage%253D1

It's not like Tom's or Anand, but... Looks good.

Great find...I posted it in another forum to try and spread it!

Best,

3Ball

 

[ultitaria]

8800gt SLI OC'd rivals 4870x2 in many benchmarks and its drivers also kick the crud out of ATI's.
PNY 8800gt on newegg w/ headroom enough to OC at least to 650mhz is $115. (x 2 = $230)
ATI 4850x2 = $170x2 = $340 (100 dollars more, with worse drivers and therefore difficult to overclock)

 

[Just_An_Engineer]

8800gt SLI OC'd rivals 4870x2 in many benchmarks and its drivers also kick the crud out of ATI's.
PNY 8800gt on newegg w/ headroom enough to OC at least to 650mhz is $115. (x 2 = $230)
ATI 4850x2 = $170x2 = $340 (100 dollars more, with worse drivers and therefore difficult to overclock)

Did you notice that you are replying to a message that was posted over 6 months ago? Also there is no way SLI'd 8800GT's even come close to crossfired 4850's in any meaningful test let alone crossfired 4870's.

 

[L1qu1d]

k don't raise threads from the dead..start a new 1. this thread was last chatted in 6 months ago...let it die