Oh my! Things don't look good in SE Asia.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=amw8i_SDI9Kk&refer=asia#

I hope this group's guardian L'Angel is OK!

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don't worry, L'Angel is from Singapore, no one die there, she is safe

hmm..

err..

have you got a pic of L'Angel?

^_^


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> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=amw8i_SDI9Kk&refer=asia#
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> I hope this group's guardian L'Angel is OK!
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:25:27 +0800, PCI wrote:

> don't worry, L'Angel is from Singapore, no one die there, she is safe

It appears >12K have elsewhere. Tsunamis are the worst of it, AFAICT.


> hmm..
>
> err..
>
> have you got a pic of L'Angel?

Nope. She's not *that* kind of girl!

> ^_^

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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:01:02 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=amw8i_SDI9Kk&refer=asia#
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>I hope this group's guardian L'Angel is OK!

Thanks for the concern, fortunately, my country' so small, so far all
of these things just misses us totally. Some felt the tremors
apparently but nobody's hurt here. Can't say the same for the
unfortunate Indonesians :(


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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:24:11 +0000, The little lost angel wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:01:02 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=amw8i_SDI9Kk&refer=asia#
>>
>>I hope this group's guardian L'Angel is OK!
>
> Thanks for the concern, fortunately, my country' so small, so far all
> of these things just misses us totally.

No matter how small you are, you can't hide from mother. From what I've
been able to tell, this one was more or less in the same place as the 7+
some months back (maybe 1Mm WNW from your locale - West of Sumatra?).

> Some felt the tremors apparently but nobody's hurt here. Can't say the same for the
> unfortunate Indonesians :(

We're all happy you're unhurt, but do feel for the less fortunate. An 8.9
(biggest in 40 years) isn't something to sneeze at, particularly in the
undeveloped world.

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keith wrote:
> We're all happy you're unhurt, but do feel for the less fortunate. An 8.9
> (biggest in 40 years) isn't something to sneeze at, particularly in the
> undeveloped world.

The US Geological Survey is listing it as an even 9.0 now. Never seen
one that touched 9 (out of 10) in my lifetime until now.

Info for event usslav
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqinthenews/2004/usslav/

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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:25:27 +0800, <PCI Express> put finger to
keyboard and composed:

>don't worry, L'Angel is from Singapore, no one die there, she is safe
>
>hmm..
>
>err..
>
>have you got a pic of L'Angel?

http://www.seriesbooks.com/littlelostangel02.jpg


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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:44:53 +1100, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote:

>>have you got a pic of L'Angel?
>
>http://www.seriesbooks.com/littlelostangel02.jpg

That's interesting!!! :ppPpP

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The little lost angel wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 08:44:53 +1100, Franc Zabkar
> <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>>have you got a pic of L'Angel?
>>
>>http://www.seriesbooks.com/littlelostangel02.jpg
>
>
> That's interesting!!! :ppPpP
>

What you mean you didn't base your name off of that storybook? :)

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In article <ScqdnR7Ly_kDNFLcRVn-vw@rogers.com>, bbbl67@ezrs.com says...
> keith wrote:
> > We're all happy you're unhurt, but do feel for the less fortunate. An 8.9
> > (biggest in 40 years) isn't something to sneeze at, particularly in the
> > undeveloped world.
>
> The US Geological Survey is listing it as an even 9.0 now. Never seen
> one that touched 9 (out of 10) in my lifetime until now.

I, for one, am glad I didn't *see* this one. BTW, the Richter Scale is
an open-ended logarithmic scale (not "out of 10").

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php
title=Richter_magnitude_scale&action=edit

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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:26:06 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

>No matter how small you are, you can't hide from mother. From what I've
>been able to tell, this one was more or less in the same place as the 7+
>some months back (maybe 1Mm WNW from your locale - West of Sumatra?).

Most of the natural disasters we do feel here come from that region. I
think it's because that's the nearest source of geological activity?

The country's blessed geographically in that we're nowhere near any
continental plate boundary (no volcanos/earthquakes), we're shielded
north & east by Malaysia and South/West by Indonesia (tidal
waves/typhoons never make it).

>> Some felt the tremors apparently but nobody's hurt here. Can't say the same for the
>> unfortunate Indonesians :(
>
>We're all happy you're unhurt, but do feel for the less fortunate. An 8.9
>(biggest in 40 years) isn't something to sneeze at, particularly in the
>undeveloped world.

I know :( We're apparently contributing funds for disaster efforts but
I hope the government officials over there don't gooble up the money
meant for those who really need it. :(

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:24:36 -0500, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@ezrs.com>
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>> That's interesting!!! :ppPpP
>>
>
>What you mean you didn't base your name off of that storybook? :)

Nope, first time I saw that. I got my moniker partly from my real name
(no prize for guessing but I won't admit to anything esp when I talk
anti-establishment in a 1984 country ;) ) and because I was going
through a rather lost (in more ways than 1) stage of my life when I
came across Usenet :ppP

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"The little lost angel" <a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:24:36 -0500, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@ezrs.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> That's interesting!!! :ppPpP
>>>
>>
>>What you mean you didn't base your name off of that storybook? :)
>
> Nope, first time I saw that. I got my moniker partly from my real name
> (no prize for guessing but I won't admit to anything esp when I talk
> anti-establishment in a 1984 country ;) ) and because I was going
> through a rather lost (in more ways than 1) stage of my life when I
> came across Usenet :ppP



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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:19:56 GMT,
a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com (The little lost angel) put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>We're apparently contributing funds for disaster efforts but
>I hope the government officials over there don't gooble up the money
>meant for those who really need it. :(

Don't bet on it. See this global corruption index:
http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2004/cpi2004.en.html#cpi2004

Indonesia is at the bottom of the table (#133 out of 145), India is
#90, Sri Lanka is #67, Thailand is #64.


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Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:19:56 GMT,
>a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com (The little lost angel) put
>finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>We're apparently contributing funds for disaster efforts but
>>I hope the government officials over there don't gooble up the money
>>meant for those who really need it. :(
>
>Don't bet on it. See this global corruption index:
>http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2004/cpi2004.en.html#cpi2004
>
>Indonesia is at the bottom of the table (#133 out of 145), India is
>#90, Sri Lanka is #67, Thailand is #64.

Well, that's great. I donated $100 to the International Red Cross
this morning...
 

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:42:18 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:19:56 GMT,
>>a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com (The little lost angel) put
>>finger to keyboard and composed:
>>
>>>We're apparently contributing funds for disaster efforts but
>>>I hope the government officials over there don't gooble up the money
>>>meant for those who really need it. :(
>>
>>Don't bet on it. See this global corruption index:
>>http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2004/cpi2004.en.html#cpi2004
>>
>>Indonesia is at the bottom of the table (#133 out of 145), India is
>>#90, Sri Lanka is #67, Thailand is #64.
>
> Well, that's great. I donated $100 to the International Red Cross
> this morning...

The RC is #146. Look at the heist of the 9/11 cash. I much prefer the
Salvation Army.

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chrisv wrote:
> Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:19:56 GMT,
>> a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com (The little lost angel) put
>> finger to keyboard and composed:
>>
>>> We're apparently contributing funds for disaster efforts but
>>> I hope the government officials over there don't gooble up the money
>>> meant for those who really need it. :(
>>
>> Don't bet on it. See this global corruption index:
>> http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2004/cpi2004.en.html#cpi2004
>>
>> Indonesia is at the bottom of the table (#133 out of 145), India is
>> #90, Sri Lanka is #67, Thailand is #64.
>
> Well, that's great. I donated $100 to the International Red Cross
> this morning...

Then there's the story of two second - third worlders who meet at Oxford
and maintain their friendship after graduation. After a few years, one
invites the other to visit him. Getting of the plane he is met by a limo
which drives him up to a gorgeous villa up in the hills overlooking a
long broad valley. After lunch the visiting friend asks the other how he
done so well. The friend pointed and asked, "See that highway down
there?" pointing to a brand new four lane highay coursing through the
valley. Pointing at himself he said, "10 percent".
His friend nodded and smiled.
A few years later the other reciprocated by inviting his friend to visit
him in his country. Getting off the plane the man was met by a
delegation and fleet of limos. He was driven to a huge palace. After
lunch he asked his friend how *he* had gotten so rich.
"See that highway down over there?", his friend asked, pointing to
fields and scrubland, with an unpaved trail going through it.
Pointing at himself he said, "100 percent."

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Keith R. Williams wrote:
> I, for one, am glad I didn't *see* this one. BTW, the Richter Scale is
> an open-ended logarithmic scale (not "out of 10").

Then I guess we're lucky to have never seen a 10 anywhere in the world.
Probably those are limited to the moons of Jupiter or something.

Here's something else interesting about that earthquake.

RedNova News - Earthquake Rattled Earth Orbit
http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=114564

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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:46:17 -0500, Yousuf Khan wrote:

> Keith R. Williams wrote:
>> I, for one, am glad I didn't *see* this one. BTW, the Richter Scale is
>> an open-ended logarithmic scale (not "out of 10").
>
> Then I guess we're lucky to have never seen a 10 anywhere in the world.
> Probably those are limited to the moons of Jupiter or something.

I think you'll find several artifacts of these sorts of events in the
geological record. The Earth is not such a kind place, but we are very
young.

>
> Here's something else interesting about that earthquake.
>
> RedNova News - Earthquake Rattled Earth Orbit
> http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=114564

I find this sort of reporting amazing (not really, considering the hoopla
over "global warming"). Was there a significant change in the COG? Was
there matter ejected from the Earth that would change the net energy of
the (rest of the) Earth? What net energy was imparted to the orbit that
caused the change? Where did said energy come from?

I've heard that the day's lenghth changed by perhaps three microseconds
(which has nothing to do with the orbit). Even that's not a huge
deal wstatthey're adding leap seconds every few years.

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keith wrote:
>>Here's something else interesting about that earthquake.
>>
>>RedNova News - Earthquake Rattled Earth Orbit
>>http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=114564
>
>
> I find this sort of reporting amazing (not really, considering the hoopla
> over "global warming"). Was there a significant change in the COG? Was
> there matter ejected from the Earth that would change the net energy of
> the (rest of the) Earth? What net energy was imparted to the orbit that
> caused the change? Where did said energy come from?
>
> I've heard that the day's lenghth changed by perhaps three microseconds
> (which has nothing to do with the orbit). Even that's not a huge
> deal wstatthey're adding leap seconds every few years.

Well, I guess they meant changed the Earth's rotation rather than its orbit.

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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:46:17 -0500, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@ezrs.com>
wrote:

>Keith R. Williams wrote:
>> I, for one, am glad I didn't *see* this one. BTW, the Richter Scale is
>> an open-ended logarithmic scale (not "out of 10").
>
>Then I guess we're lucky to have never seen a 10 anywhere in the world.
>Probably those are limited to the moons of Jupiter or something.

I don't think any one of us want to see a 10. This 9 has killed people
as far away as India and Somalia. A 10 would have total disregard for
distance I think. :(


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"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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> > RedNova News - Earthquake Rattled Earth Orbit
> > http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=114564
>
> I find this sort of reporting amazing (not really, considering the
hoopla
> over "global warming"). Was there a significant change in the COG?
Was
> there matter ejected from the Earth that would change the net energy
of
> the (rest of the) Earth? What net energy was imparted to the orbit
that
> caused the change? Where did said energy come from?

Keith, consider an ice skater. When entering a spin, the arms are
outstretched and the spin is slow. When the arms are pulled in, the
spin rate increases dramatically. This is due to conservation of
angular momentum.

Rock is a lot heavier than water. If you cut off Mt. Everest at the
base and drop it into the Mindinao Trench, the spin rate of the earth
will increase significantly because more of the mass of the Earth
moves toward its center. This, in effect, is what happened a couple
of days ago: one tectonic plate dove under another, causing the whole
tectonic plate near the junction to drop (thus causing the tidal
wave). So the earth's spin rate increases.

The orbital effect was much smaller, but yes, the COG did change
[evidently significantly enough to measure]. As you indicate, the
earth-system's [including the mass of the moon] COG follows a highly
stable elliptical orbit around the sun. Cut off Everest and drop it
in the Trench and the COG does change - and that (slightly) changes
the orbit.

Keith, next time send me my Xmas gift a few days earlier? ;-)

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"The little lost angel" <a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com> wrote
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> I don't think any one of us want to see a 10. This 9 has killed
people
> as far away as India and Somalia. A 10 would have total disregard
for
> distance I think. :(

IIRC, a 10 has ten times the energy of a 9. If the energy dissipates
equally in all directions through rock (half of a ball; no energy
dissipation into the air) then the effect a 9 has at 100 miles would
be felt for a 10 at about 350 miles. Sorry, you're wrong.

On the other hand, you're entitled to be shook up a little bit. ;-)
 
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"Felger Carbon" <fmsfnf@jfoops.net> wrote:

>Rock is a lot heavier than water. If you cut off Mt. Everest at the
>base and drop it into the Mindinao Trench, the spin rate of the earth
>will increase significantly because more of the mass of the Earth
>moves toward its center. This, in effect, is what happened a couple
>of days ago: one tectonic plate dove under another, causing the whole
>tectonic plate near the junction to drop (thus causing the tidal
>wave). So the earth's spin rate increases.

But doesn't the rock "sliding under" push the rock above it up some,
resulting in a net change of zero (at least potentially)?

As for Mt. Everest, yes, it's "large", but my understanding is that
the Earth is in fact smoother than a billiards ball.
 
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fmsfnf@jfoops.net says...
> "The little lost angel" <a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com> wrote
> in message news:41d23854.146085500@news.singnet.com.sg...
> >
> > I don't think any one of us want to see a 10. This 9 has killed
> people
> > as far away as India and Somalia. A 10 would have total disregard
> for
> > distance I think. :(
>
> IIRC, a 10 has ten times the energy of a 9. If the energy dissipates
> equally in all directions through rock (half of a ball; no energy
> dissipation into the air) then the effect a 9 has at 100 miles would
> be felt for a 10 at about 350 miles. Sorry, you're wrong.

Except AIUI, the earthquake shock wave travels through the surface
(crust), so dissipates as the inverse square so a 9 at 100 miles would
be close to a 10 at 1000Mi. so...

> On the other hand, you're entitled to be shook up a little bit. ;-)

As long as it's shaken and not stirred.

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