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I know I just said in a post earlier to avoid integrated graphics, but this article just popped up on my radar screen and I thought of you...

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/03/08/gdc2007_intel_g965_integratedgraphics/

It seems that it may be just what you are looking for, and it would save you quite a good chunk of green. Money that can be put into other things... such as bad ass peripherals.
 
I know it looks like one mouse but that's actually a soft covering over the controls. It has right, left, and small ball scroller in the center not a dial. It's the beauty of the design I have to respect as a retired art teacher. Not that the PC itself is so purty-that was sorta a joke, it's the aesthetic design in general that appeals to me. No tower in a 2" screen instead is nice and wireless keyboard and mouse make better use of ports. It has a built in bluetooth, wireless connection, and built in isight camera for video chat (with my 90 yr. old mom) or regualr video camera abilities. The lack of virus and spyware is a BIG plus. No geek or nerd wastes their time on this compared to a regular PC. 8O

I realize this isn't the right site to talk about this, I just wanted to address your question. :wink:

THE DOWNSIDE is that the graphics card truely SUXSand you can't upgrade very easlily and somethings not at all. :roll:

If your into building you'r own, that's the way to go... :wink:

lca806 WOW-thank you wooooo much. Really helps to address that question 😀
 
OK - I finally figured out what this card really is. DAH!

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=453&card2=366#
I think this is it? the only dif is the bandwidth for speed in reading data?

not what I originnally thought. Yes, it's the best of integrated but still SUX

The upgrade to GeForce 7600GT is actually the GeForce Go 7600GT only available in the 24"$$$$$

Not even the sales people or support techs seem to explain this to me!

There is a difference here. :cry: but a bit better than I originally thought! 😱

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/03/08/gdc2007_intel_g965_integratedgraphics/

CYBERLINK to improve it's qualities? DOES this meand a DRIVER upgrade I need to download? 😳 OK for some games, but what about OBLIVIAN? HA!!!

Am I wrong or is this going to be DX10 upgradable? Isn't that what the article states? :? OR is this card a prob. I will have to get VISTA too right?

Oh crap! http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2942
 
i really do not have time to read all 9 pages - but first it was a low cost computer then a apple - yuk!

know a 7600GT? will that play WoW? probably at 800x600 on a crt it will be fine!

GeForce Go 7600GT -- your getting a lap top now? thats a lap top card
 
logainofhades
Is it possible for you to be any more damn annoying? Second thought do not answer that because you do not know what the heck you are talking about anyway.

THANK YOU :wink: Guess DS dosen't realize the imac is sooo self contained in a 2" wide area behind the moniter it uses the same card as a laptop. How else does he think they fit it in there? :lol:

BaldEagle
Have you ever shopped with a woman they change their mind constantly you gotta just nod and say oh thats nice and keep up

I am not shopping for a pair of SHOES, I am spending a lot of $ and trying to educate myself towards what is right for me based on the info I am gathering. I went from cheaper gaming PC to looking into building then got curious as to what an imac had to offer. I realize it's a bad move for gaming and upgrading (but for graphics , photo and video it's great and I like the fact that the viruses and spyware are limited) I also realized I had to spend more than the initial $600 to get anything decent at all,so I am still READING and ASKING questions. I am thinking of spending around 1,500. For everthing moniter and all.

I am presently looking into CYBERPOWER and DELL and HP Pvilion Media Center and iMAC. I decided I didn't want to build my own, but realize it's the BEST way to go and I understand now why people do it. 8) I respect their ability to do so:!:
 
HEY, I've missed U! :wink:

Thanks once again for the BEST information I have had in awhile! I read over the sites and they are helping me a lot, just to know what these terms actually mean has been difficult at times.

I gave up on the MAC 😳 U were right, it has some great features which drew me in, but ultimately it was that SUXY graphics card and the inability to ever upgrade.

Looking into Dell-we'll my opinion of that is they are limited too. HP is a bit better and I may go that route. They are at leaste upgradeable for future.

I actually have put together a first build and working on it, but not as excited about putting it togeher anymore as those around me have been extremely DISCOURAGING- not this group, but more immediate than that. They control most of the $ and U know how important that is. I at leaste feel I need to bump up cost of monitor/tower/wireless keyboard to $1,700.00.

I have my Win. XP Pro I can install, but want to keep it VISTA adaptable or Vista preinstalled to get DX10 when available. (RIGHT?)

I have found a couple of younger college students who would help me and one trying to put a side business together building them for others like me. Not sure how much they would charge though. I can look into it.

Checked out CYBERPOWER and ALIENWARE, but might as well build my own for less and get the same if not better stuff. They both seem expensive to me at least CYBERPOWER is a bit better.

STILL thinkin and just really want to PLAY! :lol: Can U give me a loan for a VOODOO? :roll:

Don't spend too much time here as I am on a fence and U don't need to waste UR time with me for now.
 
I've been reading this topic over that last couple days and I have to say most things people have been suggesting are overkill. The system requirements for WOW are so low that even a 2 year old computer could play it. world of warcraft system requirements

And I play Oblivion and all the newest games with my old D805 and 1gb of ram just fine.

Since you say you'll do a lot of video editing, you should get a good cpu. A 6400 or 6600 would be good and if you wait until april they will get cheaper.

A 7600gt would be good, maybe a stock overclocked version if you want to spend a little more cash. Don't worry about dx10, its too overpriced, the cards take too much power and the drivers aren't too good yet. A lot of games can still play with dx8 cards so don't worry about compatibility for newer games.

Like i said before, I play lots of new games on high detail and 1gb is fine. Then when you get lots of spyware and it starts to get slow you could add in another 1gb.

All the other stuff suggested way fine, and the computer would cost under $1000, way cheaper than dell or hp. Building a computer isn't too hard as long as you use logic and reasoning. You should have your son help you too because 2 brains are better than 1. And even if do break something, you could always try and send it back.

So when your building, just take your time, use logic, and if something is too hard or your unsure about anything, just post about it here.

Good Luck.
 
hergieburbur wrote
Pretty much any high-end gaming machine you build that doesn't utilize and All in Wonder card will be Vista capable
OMG that sounds sooo funny to me now- I was actually looking at an all in one WONDER BOARD! :roll:

My hubby won't go for the build so I am looking into the
HP d4790y
Vista home prem
E6700 2.66GH(tried to make this good the first time!)
2GB DDR2-667MHz dual channel SDRAM (2x1024)
320GB DDR2-667MHz dual channel SDRAM (2x1024)
Lightscribe 16x DVD=/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
16x max. DVD-ROM
15 in 1 memory card reader, 3USB,!#($ audio
Wireless LAN PCI card
256MB Nividia GeForce 7600GT, HD, TV-out, 2 DVI(best I could do!)
Integrated 7.1 sound w/front audio ports
wireless keyboard and mouse
microsoft works 8.0
Norton 07 for 15 mos.
22" Wide LCD flat panel

got 250 off for educational disc. big whoop

1,879.99 - this blows I know but ....At leaste I can play OBLIVIAN 8)
 
logainofhades

get at least the main part of the system from something like cyberpower. You can then get a better video card. You will be pushing your luck for oblivion with a 7600gt. Also the quality of parts is better than what you would get from an HP

That's a good idea let me see :idea:

hergieburbur

get a Barebones (typically Case, PSU, Mobo, CPU, and sometimes memory), and then add the VGA card and the HD and stuff yourself? If you are careful of what you are getting, you could get a great PC

I was rather disappointed in the Video card, I actually thought I could make sure everything works, then swap out the 7600GT and sell it?
Is this really stupid? 😳 I wanted a t leaste a 7900GS/7950GT or really the 8800GTS card which is DX10 capable like JonnyDough suggested. If something went wrong I'd be in a pickle I guess unless I had kept the darn 76ooGT and stuck it back in before any repairs? :?

NEOKILLER Forgot to address your good statement about WOW not being that demanding. U R right, but I also want to play OBLIVIAN and that I am afraid is a bit of a beaste. :evil: It takes up 4.6 GB hard space which is ok, but the graphics card is recommended ATI x800 series /GeForce 6800 or higher. I may be just cutting it with the 7600GT and for now it may be ok, but it won't be for long. These games are getting more and more demanding and although I don't consider myself a heavy gamer I do like to play specific games and it's a MY TIME that's why I splurged on the 22" monitor. I actually got that for $275.00 and I compaired that to an ACER for less quality and more $ so I thought that was a good decision. I still don't know how to pay for all this. I have 2 kids and pets and other things I pay for - I'm feeling a bit selfish. I have justified this because I never get my hair done or my nails (like most women) and I don't really don't go anywhere anylonger. I take a nice trip every few years and I do have very nice things and a bute new house so when I buy I tend to NICE. MY husband drives a saab convertable with heated leather seats I found for him and I found myself a used saturn VUE with cloth seats all wheel drive. I guess I feel I deserve this, even though I only get 1,000 potion of the tax $ for the first time in 27 years. Maybe this is about more than a computer-OH MY 8O
 
hergieburbur
Whether the PSU is powerful enough
Most higher end cards require a separate PCI-e power connection directly to the card. Does the PSU included in the system have one?

OK- if I get this right :?:

Has;
PCI expansion: 5 including 1 PCI express slot (for the graphics card upgrade?)

I believe this would have power directly to the card as it's not fused to the MOBO like the iMac was. That All in one WONDER HA! :lol:

The power supplly is a lame 350Watts-is that enough?

Oh, not that it's a biggy but I get a free 100.00 all in one printer thrown in and everything is free SH. I also like the fact that I can refuse it all or return free of charge within 21 days (I assume[/b] this is after I receive everything) :roll:

logainofhades
get at least the main part of the system from something like cyberpower. You can then get a better video card. You will be pushing your luck for oblivion with a 7600gt. Also the quality of parts is better than what you would get from an HP

Maybe this would be the best idea do to 500 watts power supply and 8800GT as well. I have read a few horror stories with getting this equipment in good shape and other problems. Guess I am worried about the HELP later on and service.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/infxlc.asp?v=d

JonnyDough
The trick is to find a good balance between the speeds of your parts. It also makes a difference on what you intend to do though. If you're just dealing with pictures, you don't need a top of the line graphics card. A faster processor and ram will be more important.

I think I've at leaste done that! BUT is this good enough graphics card for the games I want :?:

neokill3r
I've been reading this topic over that last couple days and I have to say most things people have been suggesting are overkill. The system requirements for WOW are so low that even a 2 year old computer could play it. world of warcraft system requirements

And I play Oblivion and all the newest games with my old D805 and 1gb of ram just fine.

Since you say you'll do a lot of video editing, you should get a good cpu. A 6400 or 6600 would be good and if you wait until april they will get cheaper.

A 7600gt would be good, maybe a stock overclocked version if you want to spend a little more cash. Don't worry about dx10, its too overpriced, the cards take too much power and the drivers aren't too good yet. A lot of games can still play with dx8 cards so don't worry about compatibility for newer games.

If I can upgrade in a couple of years to a better graphics card, isn't that ultimately all that matters? If I had more confidence in CYBERPOWER to go with them I would, but I hope that 350 Watt power supply can handle an upgrade otherwise I'm better off trusting CYBERPOWER. LMK :roll:
 
THIS IS NOT GOOD NEWS! :cry:
I am not sure if all these upgrades is cost effective in the end. I do get VISTA ready so I can go with DX10 later, but it sounds like VISTA has been a gamers nightmare. :twisted:

Guess I'll look at CYBERPOWER again. :roll:
 
We're on the same page I just put this together before your last reply!!!8) but it needs tweeking :wink:
(Saw that monitor U suggested earlier and almost mared ti so that would do and it was -40.00)

GAMER INFINITY XLC -sorta not happy with any doors on my case!


*BASE_PRICE: [+1715]
CAS: Hot New! NZXT Zero Aluminum Full Tower 420W Case (Black/Silver Color)
CASUPGRADE: NONE
CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6700 CPU @ 2.66GHz 1066FSB 2x2MB L2 Cache EM64T [+230]
CD: (Special Price) 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
CD2: 16X DVD ROM (BLACK COLOR)
CABLE: None
FLASHMEDIA: None
FREEBIE_VC: FREE! Dark Messiah - Might And Magic
FREEBIE_CU: FREE! Cyberpower Unleash The Power T-Shirt ($19.99 Value)
FAN: CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit + 2 EXTRA CASE FANS
FLOPPY: NONE [-5]
HDD: Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+26])
HDD2: NONE
IEEE_CARD: NONE
KEYBOARD: (Keyboard & Mouse Combo) Logitech Cordless Desktop EX 110 Keyboard & Mouse [+24]
MOUSE: Logitech Optical Wheel Mouse (BLACK COLOR)
MODEM: PCI 56K V.92 FAX MODEM W/ VOICE
MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core Supports) MSI P6N SLI-FI nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
MONITOR: ViewSonic VG2230WM 22" Color TFT Active Matrix SXGA+ LCD Display Monitor [+368]
MONITOR2: NONE
NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium
PRINTER: None
PRINTER_CABLE: None
PRO_WIRING: None
PPU: NONE
POWERSUPPLY: **Recommended** NZXT PF-500 500Watt Power Supply
RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS 24/7 LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
SPEAKERS: (BLACK) Creative Labs SBS 580 5.1 Surround Subwoofer Speaker System
TEMP: NONE (AS SHOWN)
TVRC: None
USBHD: NONE
UPS: None
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
VIDEOCAMERA: NONE
VIDEO: NEW!!! NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB 16X PCI Express (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA [+5])
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BTW-HP return policy
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/return_exchange.do
 
I agree with hergieburbur proposed configuration --- I think you could even go down one noch on the cpu and save even more money.

Also hiergieburber is right in saying its better to start with lessor model and build up from there. I usually look at where the big price jumps are when selecting the options especially when cost is of concern --- most time there is not much of a performance increase when selecting this way --- not saying performance cant be improved --- but the cost to performance ratio can skyrocket if you ignore price (which some people are seeming to ignore in here --- apparently they think your a millionaire). The approach hergieburber did is usually my approach. Somethings like memory you have to spend extra on --- you at least need 1 gigabyte for xp ---- but agree with heirgieburgers 2 gigs as vista would need it (and xp can always use the extra especially in gaming --- but you could reduce this to 1 gig and still get decent gaming performance if using xp --- just depends on what you can afford and if you are using xp --- for vista you have to have 2 gigs in my opinion.

Xp maybe choice for operating system ---- I have also heard vista is not good for gaming --- and therefore may want to go with xp right now if gaming is your primary goal. Maybe vista could be put on vm using 2007 for now --- but does add costs to have both os's.--- dont think the video card selected support dx10 anyways--- this is not issue if xp is being used ---maybe xp is best bet as dx10 cards are overpriced (starting around $300) and dont know if any games yet that support dx10 yet.


Hope this helps you ---- think hergieburber is on track --- you dont need a $2000 plus system to do gaming
 
this thread is destine to be a sticky!

from build it yourself to apple to cyber power - title could be:

" My quest for a WoW PC" one women's odyssey to find the prefect pc at the the perfect price!!

it could be made into a book - a mini series or how about on 30 min special on home and garden!
 
I agree with hergieburbur proposed configuration --- I think you could even go down one noch on the cpu and save even more money.

Also hiergieburber is right in saying its better to start with lessor model and build up from there. I usually look at where the big price jumps are when selecting the options especially when cost is of concern --- most time there is not much of a performance increase when selecting this way --- this appears to be what hergieburber did and is usually my approach.

Xp maybe choice for operating system ---- I have also heard vista is not good for gaming --- and therefore may want to go with xp right now if gaming is your primary goal. Maybe vista could be put on vm using 2007 for now --- but does add costs to have both os's.--- dont think the video card selected support dx10 anyways--- this is not issue if xp is being used ---maybe xp is best bet as dx10 cards are overpriced (starting around $300) and dont know if any games yet that support dx10 yet.


What do thin


think? (i am not going to look it up) i said back on page 1 or 2 an e4300 and p5n - 2.8ghz with a gts for $1000 killer pc!

-------

reinstall your old xp and dual boot vista - $1000 - give a local builder $100 after he reads this he or she will do it!
 
not sure what you mean about "you think I am not going to look this up" --- was just trying to help and give opinion.

not trying to endorse cyberpower as this is just one option as a vendor

Think for her to hire somebody to do a custom build may cost to much and sometimes is not desirable as people want the computer ready and dont want a lot of parts laying around waiting to be put together. But this does not eliminate this as option --- just think cyberpower may cost same or be cheaper once you get done with hiring a custom builder ---- maybe not --- did not try configuring your system in cyberpower to really see what cost would be under your proposed config.

Sorry if i offended you in anyway as this was not my intent --- peace.
 
Dragonsprayer,

Looked at your configuration also on page 1 (sorry I didnt look at it before as this thing is 10 pages long) and believe it is well thought out and costs less than configuration from hiegeburber (he also includes a new 20 inch monitor, 2 gigs of mem vs. 1 gig, etc and some other things -- like more costly cpu which I suggested could be dropped down a notch) --- thus your configuration is more cost effective --- not sure why you need 700 watt power supply though --- would seem 450 watts would be sufficient unless running dual sli graphic cards??
 
OK LISTEN UP :lol:

Let's call it a nite here. I have more than enough info and I can make a good decision based on what everyone has told me. I want to thank you my, "LOYAL SUBJECTS", but me thinks I have asked enough of U already. :wink:

I promise not to buy a MAC and will get something good for gaming yet, I can do my photos and stuff on. I will try to not overspend on things I don't really need and can't afford anyway! :lol:

I will come back to this site and read rather than ask and I won't be buying from anyone here so don't bother asking me again. 😛

As this SAGA comes to a close I would like to dedicate this long HEROIC story to:

JonnyDough the "Hawt" BRAIN
hergieburbur the "Wise" HEART
logainofhades the ADVISOR
ches111 the SISTA
RetiredChief the HEALER
DragonSprayer the PLAYER
sviola the ADVOCATE
whrzmud the CHART KEEPER
4ryan6 the PRIEST
sirheck the DEACON
lca806 the REALIST
DaSickNinja the INQUISITOR

And if I forgot anyone along the way, this OLD LADY just wants to say;
"THANK YOU" :wink: And Let the GAMES begin! 8)
 
Kat,

Definitely NOT a Sista :) Last time I checked anyway :) about thirty or so minutes ago :)

Just hate to see people like yourself leave the site. Something different to offer...

Good luck on your buy!!