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Approximate Purchase Date:November 30

Budget Range: $150

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: CPU, mobo, RAM

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon

Location: Beverly West Virginia (no pc stoes near me)

Parts Preferences: by brand or type :None really

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution:1680x1050

Additional Comments: Need to get the cpu ram and motherboard for $150 and need to be able to use it while upgrading over time.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Old pc died after over 6 years

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My case
http://www.apevia.com/ProductsInfo.asp?KEY=ATXA8NW-AL/500

My psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

I have all the other parts from my old pc except ram cpu and motherboard. I'm leaning either towards an am3+ mobo and a cheap am3 cpu or an apu and a fm2 mobo. Not eally considering intel because of the weak igp. I need to be able to use my pc asap so putting off for a better discrete gpu is not plausible.

My old pc had an athlon 64 x2 4400+ toledo using a biostar tforce 6100-939 mobo with 3 kingston hyperx 1 gig sticks of ddr ram. So most cpus are a huge upgrade over that. My last full pc build was over 6 years ago. My os is windows xp home 32 bit so i only need 1 4 gig stick of ram right now.

So any recommendations either using am3+ or fm2 would be awesome. Please keep in mind that i'll have to use either the on board graphics of the mobo or the apu's igp for at least a few months before i can afford to do some further upgrades. I do not play high end games and most games i do play i play on the lowest settings and mainly mmorpgs. So i do not need a huge gpu to start with.
 

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No i do not at the moment. And the 5800k would eat up my whole budget and i would have nothing left for ram and mobo. I only have $150 to get all 3. Sadly that is my max budget to get my pc up and running. I wish i had more but that is the sad truth. And right now i'm posting via the wifes pc so need to get mine asap lol
 

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Your old PC couldn't handle any gaming, right? I don't think you can get your system back + add gaming capacity for that low budget.

I'd just do this:
CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($67.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $142.96

That gets you back running with a nice CPU upgrade and then provides a nice platform to build a solid gaming rig over time. The B75 chipset will allow use of higher end i5/i7 Ivy Bridge processors.

A6-5400K would be the fastest APU you can afford, but it's a pretty low end processor and graphic barely capable of playing games at the lowest resolutions. And the Fm2 chipset limits how high you can upgrade in the future.


 

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how about this? PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Celeron G540 2.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MGC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: AMD Entertainment Edition 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($52.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $141.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 23:01 EST-0500)

or

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 450 3.2GHz Triple-Core Processor ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: AMD Entertainment Edition 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($52.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $156.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 23:03 EST-0500)
 

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Z1NONLY

I'm buying from amazonso links from there would be more beneficial

BreadWhistle

Same thing amazon links would help out more

twelve25

My old pc could play anygame. It may not of got great fps but it was playable. And the intel path you chose would not game at all without a discrete gpu which is out of my budget sadly

milkshakez7z

I do not live near a micro center and allmyparts will be ordered from amazon. So the prices are a lot different sadly.

I appreciate the help so far guys i really do but some amazon links would be a lot more beneficial since i do not own or use a credit card so will be making purchases via a amazon gift card. And the prices onamazon are a lot higher then neegg. I do wish i had a credit card but sadly i do not and prepaid cards i never have much luck with. So am looking to buy from amazon. I do wish amazon was much easier to navigate when it comes to pc parts. Parts are hard to find there unless you know just what you are searching for.

I am leaning a lot more towards an am3+ build because of the costs plus future upgrades. I am impressed with the fx 6300 and how it beats i3 and almost as good as an i5. Although if i had to i'm sure i could go with a fm2 build. But i'm leery of doing an intel build with my low budget. As i'll never be able to afford most of their better cpus. While the 6300 is only about $139.99 right now on amazon and much closer to what i could afford. To get better then that from intel i'm looking at least another extra $50.

And i loved my athlon 64 x2 4400+. While my luck in the past with intel is not good. My very first pc was an intel pentium 4 that literally burned up in less then a year. Now they have improved since then but there is still that fear you know what i mean when you were burned once? That topped with the weak gpu with intel has me not really wanting to go the intel route. And i really need to have a pc to use asap. Hence why my budget is so low. I mainly just want to get back up and running and have a pc to use while i gradually upgrade it.

Like i said most games i play are mmorpgs and at the lowest possible settings. And most builds are leaps and bounds better then my old build lol So while i game i'm not really playing high end games. Most of them are older mmorpgs or the free to play ones.

The one game i'm looking to play next year is Phantasy star online 2 its system requirements are:

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/subarashee/PSO2/systemreqs.jpg

Cpu:Intel core duo e6300 or higher
Memory:Xp 1 gig or better windows vista or 7 2 gigsor higher
HDD space:8gigs or higher (ihave thiswith my old 300 gig hard drive
Monitor resolution:1280x720 or higher
Graphics card: Nvidia geforce 7800gt or higher


Not exactly super high. requirements but gives you an idea of what i play. And the basic requirements i need if possible for the $150. I know the ram will run me about $20 for a 4 gig stick of ddr3 ram. So that gives about $130 for cpu and mobo. I never considered a gpu as i know just getting the cpu and mobo for under 130 would be tough enough. And i plan to get a better discrete card before upgrading my cpu. Then i plan to replace my HDD then i hope to get windows 7 or 8 and another 4 gigs of ram. So i really do not need or will ever use a high end cpu. Sorry so long winded. >_<
 

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http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Computer-Corp-760GM-P23-FX/dp/B005SEB336/ref=sr_1_1?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-1&keywords=AMD

$40

http://www.amazon.com/FX-Socket-GeForce-Motherboard-N68C-GS/dp/B0083B6HEQ/ref=sr_1_5?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-5&keywords=AMD

$45

http://www.amazon.com/M5A78L-M-LX-PLUS-Micro-Motherboard/dp/B005WUUFBW/ref=sr_1_6?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-6&keywords=AMD

$45

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-SB710-Chipset-Motherboard-GA-78LMT-S2P/dp/B0054OWT0G/ref=sr_1_13?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-13&keywords=AMD

$58

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-880GM--FX-Micro-Motherboard/dp/B0072X9194/ref=sr_1_15?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-15&keywords=AMD

$60

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Socket-Motherboard-880GMS-E41-FX/dp/B0088P3AW4/ref=sr_1_16?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-16&keywords=AMD

$60

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Socket-AMD-FM1-Motherboards-GA-F2A55M-HD2/dp/B009O7YZAG/ref=sr_1_23?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-23&keywords=AMD

$70

There may be others on amazon but these are the ones i found with a short search And so i'm posting them to help make it a bit easier to choose. And i chose msi asus and gigabyte and asrock as they seem popular brand recommends. But i'm open to suggestions. If you find others or know the links please post them. And a good recommendation on ram would be nice as well.

Edited to add if one of these mobos is not am3+ or fm2 and not compatible with either one please feel free to let me know which one so i can remove it.
 

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So you are saying that intel's built in gpu is better then a low end radeon cards (which is what a few of those motherboards had ati 3000 series)? And i had a hd 6450 but sold it for extra cash to get the components for this rebuild. Before that i used a geforce 6100 that was built into my mobo for close to 5 years.

I will honestly admit i'm not knowledgeable about graphics cards. I probably know less then a novice about them. Outside of knowing many are expensive. :p And those are ones i found on amazon. If some one can post a better mobo in my price range from there please do. You have to keep in mind my last build was over 6 years ago.
 

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Yes. The graphics built into Sandy Bridge CPUs are easily 5-10x (or more) faster than the onboard chipsets like the Radeon 3000 and GeForce 6100, but about half to 1/3 as fast as what comes on the higher end AMD APU.

If you were gaming on the 4400+/Geforce 6100 and satisfied, you will be fine literally running ANYTHING.

It sounded like you wanted to grow into a serious gaming rig, which is why I suggested the Ivy Bridge board which allows the addition of a high end graphics and processor at a later date. If you just want something to knock the pants off that old setup, the A6-5400K, a cheap FM2 MB and 4GB of RAM will do that, but the FM2 socket is not really built for high end and will limit future growth into a high end setup.
 

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Or here's the older FM1 APUs, but a higher end quad core, which should be considerably faster. Fm2 isn't going to have a huge upgrade path anyway, so no use getting a much slower processor just to go fm2:

CPU: AMD A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.57 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI A55M-P33 Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($21.58 @ Amazon)
Total: $133.14

Amazon does have that board for $45, but newegg has a rebate making it $30.
 

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And just to show point of reference. The Pentium G dual cores I mentioned earlier have same graphics as the i3-2120 here.

hawx2.jpg
 

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http://www.amazon.com/FX-Socket-GeForce-Motherboard-N68C-GS/dp/B0083B6HEQ/ref=sr_1_5?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-5&keywords=AMD

That has NVIDIA GeForce 7025 built in for $45.

and

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-880GM--FX-Micro-Motherboard/dp/B0072X9194/ref=sr_1_15?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353910725&sr=1-15&keywords=AMD


Has ATI Radeon HD 4250 $60

All the others have ati 3000 in them minus the fm2 socket which gets it from the cpu. So those two boards i just posted i'm interested in just because of the on board graphics alone. And are a decent point. And remember i used a geforce 6100 for 5 years lol So those 2 are a huge step up from that although i'm unsure how they compare to the hd 6450 iuse to have.
 

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Those onboard chips aren't comparable to anything that comes in card form or built into a processor. They suck, flat out, and shouldn't be considered usable for any 3D game that has been released in the past 5-7 years.

There aren't game benchmarks for those, but passmark has synthetic benchmarks which can provide some point of reference. The 7025 scores a 24. The 4250 scores a 125, Radeon 6450 is about 300. Intel Graphics built into lower end Sandy Bridge gets about 260-300. The 6530D on the A6-3650 is 540. A nice $120 Radeon 7770 card gets 2200, which is what I would consider the starting point for a serious gaming rig.

So, again, pretend those motherboard graphics don't exist. You only want something built into a processor or on its own card. Most games can even use those low end built in graphics, they are below the minimum specs.
 

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My problem with intel is their high prices. They rarely drop prices unless forced to. So i do not see me getting an i5 unless it drops about half its price to be honest. The fm2 has at least the next new line of mad processors coming when they release. So there will be a few cpus i'm sure that will be close to the i3 with better graphics thea10-5800k performs just a bit less then an i3 now.

And yeah i'm pretty easy to please pc wise. I was pretty content with my old 4400+ and the geforce 6100 i only added a discrete gpu as my on board gpu was starting to go it would cause my monitor to go black for a few seconds then come back. So i bought the 6450 to get around that.

I'd love to have a suped up system but i'm realistic and know it would be tough if not impossible to get for under $150. I mainly need a pc so i can get off the wifes lol. Although i'd like to get the best bang for the buck i can. And i would love to get a 6300 in the near future its not bad at its $139.99 price tag. And by the time i'd upgrade it would probably even be cheaper.

I know that intel is the best high end. |But their higher prices really make me leery of them.
 

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To be honest i have never cared for fps personally. My geforce 6100 played just about every game i threw at it. That includes WOW everquest and Everquest 2 just to name a few. Those will play games on the lowest settings i'm sure. As most mmorpgs do not have real high requirements. And i'd rather avoid the dead ended fm1 socket. As when i do want to upgrade later i'd need a whole new cpu and mobo. So i'd rather not go down the fm1 path unless i absolutely have to.
 

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I'm just not an intel fan hence why i asked for fm2 or am3+ recommends. I'm not trying to be frustrating on purpose i assure you. And i just like amd better to be honest. For some reason i like to root for the under dog. I am leaning towards an am3+ build to be honest. But a fm2 build has some real good points as well.
 

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Yeah, I helped him on another thread and yet he flamed me and called me a liar when I told him that the G860 H61 motherboard build would be best.

This is more like of an assurance topic.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/372337-31-rebuild-please

I didn't want to butt in here but it's obvious that he has his mind made up and is just wasting your time.