Omid needs to apologize to AMD users

darko21

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Check it out front page stuff

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I registered on this forum just to make this post.

The column by Bruce Gain, "Intel's 64 bit Lye" (sic) was so badly written and chocked full of innacuracies in its original form, it makes me cringe. The version you see now is updated. The original included such choice bits as:

"In fact, many failed to note the context in which Intel announced this week the availability of its 64-bit extensions for its x86 Itanium server platforms."

x86? Itanium? What?

"Second, Intel has sold 64-bit (non x86) processors for years, it has been a failure"

Itanium 2 is flourishing where it was meant to flourish - big iron. It wasn't meant to host mom & pop's web server. Some numbers: http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_perf_results.asp

"Absent, of course, was the fact that 64-bit Windows has long supported AMD's 64-bit Opteron and Athlon64."

Really? I was under the impression that Windows for x86-64/IA32e was just released a week ago, and it was the Itanium version that's been out for years.

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What the heck ? Sheesh, I guess this makes it allright; have one delirious anti AMD flamebait article followed by another pretty worthless pro AMD "kiss-and-make-up column".. I'm not sure which of both i find worse :rolleyes:

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Itanium 2 is flourishing where it was meant to flourish - big iron. It wasn't meant to host mom & pop's web server. Some numbers: http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_perf_results.asp
This may be true...but how much money has intel really made off the itanium? My guess would be less than they have put into R&D and other production costs...

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Haha P3, I used to have a 440BX chip hanging off my keychain, off a busted motherboard.

That's true about Intel & Itanium but I strongly believe Intel is VERY far-sighted. They never intended for Itanium to drop into the server or PC market, considering it's a new design from the ground up with the only backwards compatability through emulation. I'll be surprised if IA64 doesn't start gaining momentum by 2006.

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Useless article.

Bruce Gain clairified nothing. Almost everybody was well informed about Intel and AMD64 stuff before Omid wrote his delusional garbage and Bruce wrote his remedy article.

And I highly doubt there's a word called "Apology" in Omid's dictionary.

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heh...i should make some keychains...i got 3 busted bx boards and 2 815e's...and now im broke lol...

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Re: And I highly doubt there's a word called "Apology" in Omid's dictionary.

Yeah IMHO he's not the kinda man to admit he was wrong or apologize. He's been posting flamebait for quite a while now I doubt anything is going to change.

If thg want someone posting extream opinions then also use a cloumnist who is just as extreame on the other side of the spectrum.

Personally I'd like to see it kept profesional so keep the extreamists away but if for marketing terms the site feels it needs controversy then do as newspapers do and use a columists showing the flip side as well. How hard could that be?


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 

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"However, AMD is only continuing to operate as it has successfully done for years and years, a strategy that has made it a largely profitable company..."
From AMD's site:

2003 Annual GAAP Financial Position Overview
Revenue: $3.519 billion
Net loss: $274 million
Net loss per share: $0.79

Now I know you don't mean 2002 (even worse if I recall?). Nope, lost money in 2001 as well. I am glad I don't make as much as they do!!!

"...while maintaining a steady and consistent market share"

Umm...2001 Intel held 78.7% of the microprocessor market and AMD held 20.2%, in Q4 2003 Intel held 82.8% and AMD held 15.5%. That does not appear steady and consistant.

Seems ironic that the author referenced Clinton's assault on the truth while practicing the same eloquence.
 

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I see your point but now that it’s clear AMD is making a superior product maybe things can now improve a little for them.

This would be a good thing right?? because we know Intel is here to stay.

Time will tell


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart. <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by darko21 on 02/20/04 06:13 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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heh...i should make some keychains...i got 3 busted bx boards and 2 815e's...and now im broke lol...
Aren't mobos too big to be a keychain?

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> because we know Intel is here to stay.

Same thing has once been said about 3Dfx, IBM (in the PC market), Bull, SGI, DEC, ... most of those companies still live, but are only a relic of the mighty near monopolists they once where in their respective markets, and have been forced to abandon their former strongholds and reinvent themselves as a also run in other markets.

Sure intel is not going anyware anytime soon, but its almost a given they won't hold their cpu market supremacy indefinately. Wether it will take 5 or 50 years is anyone's guess; but it *will* happen, and it could happen faster than you think (not saying I necessarely believe it will, but its more possible than you'd think).

For a few diversification idea's where current megacorps might be heading check this out:
<A HREF="http://www.theintelstore.com/xtreme_product_display.asp?xtremeid=79543D68FEB44DE4A9BE261EAF0F7A48&pid=INTC700714-00&pic=700714" target="_new">intel's plan B </A>
<A HREF="http://www.e-sunware.com/ptistore/control/product?prod_id=SW-320" target="_new"> Sun's future core market ? </A>


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Spitfire, you just chop off the motherboard controller chip (440BX = a single chip, no north/south bridge), file off the pins, round the edges and drill a hole in one of the corners to attach a thin chain through =)

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I think you know what I ment.

yes things can change quickly just look at ATI. But Intel is a bigger company with huge name branding and an excellent marketing setup with some coin to boot. So IMHO they are not as vunerable as say Nvidia.

Your right though all companies empires do seem to fall and this is a competitive industry where things can change quickly.

What's the oldest company still going.? Hudsons bay company goes back to the 1600's although not quite as powerful as they once were.

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Okay, point one, and I only do so in defense of Bruce and Tobias who wrote their articles in response to mine: they did it because, they felt strongly that they had to respond to my column.

Editors have minds of their own, and differ in their opinions.

If you can't see that then, you are all blinded by your own negative attitudes towards THG.

It just seems like you are not happy unless you are ripping into editors.

Furthermore, back off these guys. If you're problem is with me, fine. But the rest of the editors shouldn't be included in the same nastiness.

At least have some courtesy.

Omid
 

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Hey dudes, Omid posted in my poll. Check the poll again!

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You caught me at a bad time I gotta run. but kudos for showing up.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 

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If you can't see that then, you are all blinded by your own negative attitudes towards THG.

We are the THGC. What is written in THG reflects on us. When people who are supposed to be professional fail to use spellcheck, or editors refuse to edit, it reflects on us as well.
Many people, including myself, seriously question the bias that has become evident on this site. As you are the managing editor, and this bias reflects your own, I would like to take this oportunity to call you on this. Is THG a site where we can garner true hardware information, or will we continue to see a move to Intel PR status?
 
LOL Good one!!!!

You know I have always thought that your job was to throw fuel on the fire.(Flamewars)for the not so bright. And thought you did an excellent job at it.

I find your articles very amusing,and downright funny.
A little poke here,a stab or two there, and the whole time steadily throwing Gasoline(petrol) on the smoldering embers.

I mean it really is funny that every time the Flamewars start to die down,along comes Omid and an inferno happens. I mean a real,can't get too close ,paint blistering flamewar that brings out all of the zealots. From other forums as well.

Oh and Spitfire I find it really anoying that almost every time Omid publishes an OPINION piece article it sends you through the roof. You imediately start your stupid dumb a$$ Fire Omid posts and polls.

But then again I think that this is the primary action Omid WANTED to get out of his articles. So you were baited and fell for it 200%.

These are my opinions,and observences, yours may be different.And that is your right.

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Same thing has once been said about 3Dfx, IBM (in the PC market), Bull, SGI, DEC, ... most of those companies still live, but are only a relic of the mighty near monopolists they once where in their respective markets, and have been forced to abandon their former strongholds and reinvent themselves as a also run in other markets.
Intel will be here as long as U.S. of A. is still america.

Intel will never go out of business, I think it's more likely that Microsoft will go bankrupted. And Omid is right ,and speaking the truth about the AMD fanboys. Don't let finiancial stature dictate or judge a products quality. Just because Intel is expensive and unaffordable, doesnt mean it is a bad product and inferior to AMD.


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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Kanavit on 02/21/04 10:21 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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Are you retarded? Your own words, not mine (I don't even agree with them): Intel is unaffordable.

Unaffordable product = bad product. I don't care if it's gold. If no one can afford it, it's bad. A F1 racer would be a horrible product. Good car, yes. Good product, NO!

Oh btw, Omids article is not bad because of some percieved slight to AMD. It's bad because it is horrible jouranlism. It has no clear purpose, worse grammar and spelling, enrages a large number of people, etc. etc. Fifth graders write articles like that. A "ooooooh, you're all poo-poo heads cause I rulz" type of article simply has no place on any site. Let alone one so establsihed as this one.


Btw, Omid needs to apologize to all THG <i>readers</i>. AMD has nothing to do with it.


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Snorkus I completely agree. My problem with the article was that it was designed to bait people into an uproar, not to inform. But yes, AMD forces Intel to release product and advance technology sooner, they force prices to drop, and they force product to be available. AMD is the most influential company in technology right now because they can force Intel to compete. You think we would have p4 if AMD did not exist. Intel would be releasing the 586 Extreme Edition right now, holding onto the technology to make more money later. Omid, how about them apples?
 

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Snorkius, a mercedes benz, and Bimmer is unaffordable. Are those cars bad product?

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Perhaps Kanavit your wording was to extreme in nature. Intel counterparts are generally more expensive true. But as of late I have seen AMD's just as high in certain lines.

You should have said Intel products are generally unaffordable to students/unemployed guys living in their parents basements/or limited budget users.

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