Onboard Video

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

My desktop is a AMD Athlon 64 and it's a 2.2 gig 3700+ with 1 gig ram and a ATI Xpress X300 onboard with 64mb ram and it can go upto 128mb. It's a ATI Xpress 200 chipset. I am using Windows XP Home and my hard drive is 120 gig. Now my question is that is my video card good enough for games? I play UT 2004 and Quake 3 Arena and it plays fine and in high settings. I just use the normal bios settings meaning everything to default so it's only using 64mb out of my 1 gig system ram.

Xazax310 · Mar 14, 2007

Old game like that i would think so, there not really demanding just dont expect to play them on HIGH settings. Since you do have an X200 chipset which would mean you have PCI-E it would be best recommanded to buy a X1650XT or 7600GT so you get the most performance.

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

Well is this video card overall still good? Meaning I don't need to get a different one? I haven't installed this video card yet but I currently own a WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT and its 128mb DDR3 and it's 128bit and also a PCI-E. But I don't know if this card will make any difference at all. But I would like to know how good is this video card.

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

I want to save most money as possible so if it't not that big difference then I will return the card.

lostandwandering · Mar 14, 2007

You would do best by getting a better card. I have an ATi X300(just one step above onboard) and it sucks. I try to play COD2 on it and only manage a maximum of 30 FPS with settings on low and res of 800x600. IMO it just doesn't cut it. Both the X1650 and 7600Gt are good choices if you want to game for little money.

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

What about this video card I currently own? WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT. Is this any better then the onboard X300? If its not big difference then I will return it. By the way even my chipset is X200 its still considered as same as ATI X300. I talked to the ATI techs.

Lionhardt · Mar 14, 2007

It should be fine for what u do.

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

Which card? The ATI card or the GeForce?

cleeve · Mar 14, 2007

Your onboard should be finr for Quake 3 arena.

UT 2004 might be a bit of a challenge for it but I'm sure it'll work if you lower some settings.

jaguarskx · Mar 14, 2007

The only way to really answer your question is if you tell us what other games you would like to play. More modern games are generally more demanding. For example, if Oblivion or Supreme Commander is on your playlist, then you'll need a more powerful card.

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

I play games like Quake 4, Quake 3 Arena, UT 2004, Jurassic Park Operation Genesis, StarCraft, Need for speed III: Hot Pursuit and SuperBike from same company as Need for Speed III.

jaguarskx · Mar 14, 2007

Quake 4 is the most demanding game you play. You will be able to play Q4 with your ATI Xpress on low resolution (640 x 480), but your frame rate will probably be limited to 24fps or less.

I would upgrade to a better video card if you want better gaming experience in Quake 4. A $50 - $75 GPU will give you much better performance than the integrate Xpress 200.

Which GPU depends on if your mobo has AGP or PCI-e.

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

Well do you think that the GeForce 7300 that I have will be good enough? Or should I keep using the onboard ATI Xpress X300 video card and return the GeForce 7300? I guess what I'am asking is that is the WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT video card good enough to replace the onboard ATI X300 video card?

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

Here are specs on the GeForce 7300 I have.

Features/Specifications:
Leadtek WinFast PX7300 GT TDH Extreme 128MB PCIe Video Card with TV-Out

General Features:
GeForce 7300 GT GPU
128 MB DDR3 memory
PCI Express graphics bus
GPU/Memory Clock: 520/700 MHz
Memory Data Rate: 1400 MHz
Memory interface: 128-bit
Memory bandwidth (GB/sec.): 22.4
Fill Rate (billion texels/sec): 4.16
Vertices/sec (million): 520
Pixels per clock (peak): 8
Dual 400 MHz RAMDACs
Microsoft DirectX 9.0c Shader Model 3.0 Support
NVIDIA CineFX 4.0 Engine
NVIDIA UltraShadow II technology
OpenGL 2.0 optimizations and support
NVIDIA PureVideo technology
NVIDIA Intellisample 4.0 technology
Integrated HDTV encoder
Dual-Link DVI Support
NVIDIA nView multi-display technology

Connectors:
Two (2) DVI-I
HDTV (S-Video)

Regulatory Approvals:
FCC
CE

Package Includes:
Leadtek WinFast PX7300 GT TDH Extreme 128MB PCIe Video Card
General guide
Quick installation guide
Driver and Utilities CD-ROM
HDTV cable (S-Video)

Additional Information:

Notes:
Model: WinFast PX7600 GT TDH Extreme
EAN: 4 710918 133320
UPC: 6 60757 20591 4

Requirements:
Windows 2000/XP
Available PCI Express slot
CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive (to load installation software CD)
VGA or DVI-I compatible monitor
A minimum recommended 300W system power supply required. For two PX7300 GT running in SLI configurations, a minimum 400W system power supply (with 12V rating of 22A) is recommended

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

Here are specs on the ATI X300.

GPU Specifications
Radeon X300 Technology Specifications
Four extreme parallel 3D rendering pixel pipelines
Two programmable vertex shader pipelines
PCI Express x16 lane native support
64-bit or 128-bit memory interface supporting 64MB, 128MB, or 256MB DDR1 memory configurations
Full DirectX® 9 support
SmartShader™ 2.0
SmartShader™ defines the level of realism in latest 2D/3D games and applications
Complete hardware-accelerated Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shader support
Full hardware support for OpenGL®
SmoothVision™ 2.1
SmoothVision™ improves image quality by smoothing jagged edges, improving blurriness and refining background details during on-screen motion and at lower resolutions.
SmoothVision™ settings are user configurable in ATI Catalyst® Control Panel:
2x/4x/6x Anti-Aliasing modes
Sparse multi-sample algorithm with gamma correction, programmable sample patterns, and centroid sampling
Lossless Color Compression (up to6:1)at all resolutions
Temporal Anti-Aliasing
2x/4x/8x/16x Anisotropic Filtering modes
Up to 128-tap texture filtering
Adaptive algorithm with bilinear (performance) and trilinear (quality) options
HYPER Z™ III
HyperZ™ ensures optimal hardware performance by discarding irrelevant object data that is not visible to end-user on their display.
Leverages key features from ATI’s third generation HyperZ™ III technology that conserves video memory bandwidth for improved performance in demanding 2D/3D games and applications.
Lossless Z-Buffer Compression (up to 48:1)
Fast Z-Buffer Clear
Z Cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering
VideoShader™
Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
FullStream™ video de-blocking technology for Real, DivX, and WMV9 formats
VideoSoap™ noise removal filtering for captured video
MPEG1/2/4 decode and encode acceleration
DXVA Support
Hardware Motion Compensation, iDCT, DCT and color space conversion
All-format DTV/HDTV decoding
YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays†
Adaptive Per-Pixel De-Interlacing and Frame Rate Conversion (temporal filtering)
Additional Features
Dual integrated display controllers
Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs
Integrated 165 MHz TMDS transmitter (DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready*)
Integrated TV Output support up to 1024x768 resolution
Windows® Logo Program compliant
ATI Catalyst® Software Suite
* Currently there is no commercially available HDCP content. ATI's Radeon® X and Radeon® 9550 series of GPUs are capable of processing HDCP signals ("HDCP ready"), however ATI does not presently manufacture any graphics cards which are HDCP ready. Some third parties manufacture graphics cards containing ATI GPUs -- you can inquire of them which models, if any, -- are HDCP ready.

2D DISPLAY MODES
Resolutions, colors and maximum refresh rates (Hz) in 256, 65K or 16.7M colors

Monitor Resolution Hz
640x480
200
800x600 200
1024x768 200
1152x864 200
1280x1024 160
1600x1200 120
1920x1080* 16:9 120
1920x1200 100
1920x1440 90
2048x1536 85

*16:9 aspect ratio monitors are supported on 1920x1080 and 848x480 on Windows® XP, and Windows® 2000. The complete list of resolutions depends on the driver version and operating system. NOTE: resolutions are limited by the performance of the attached monitor.

MAXIMUM 3D RESOLUTIONS
65K colors 2048x1536
16.7M colors 2048x1536

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

To get to the point I am trying to decide which video card I should use. One is build on my motherboard and one I got it at the store. If the one I got at the store is not worth much or considered an upgrade from my onboard ATI Xpress X300 then I will return the new card I got and I will use the ATI Xpress X300 that is build on my motherboard.

dude_here · Mar 14, 2007

To get to the point I am trying to decide which video card I should use. One is build on my motherboard and one I got it at the store. If the one I got at the store is not worth much or considered an upgrade from my onboard ATI Xpress X300 then I will return the new card I got and I will use the ATI Xpress X300 that is build on my motherboard.

You can always try out the card in your system, and if it doesn't make a difference, package it up and get your money back. It's not like software to where if you open up the box you can't take it back- there is no piracy implications with the video card like there is with a game or OS or something like that.

Hope that helps.

yakyb · Mar 14, 2007

the 7300 is quite a bit better but still not good

http://tomshardware.co.uk/graphics/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=533&model2=571&chart=212

i would personally return the 7300 and try to get hold of a 7600 or a x1650 if you can

jaguarskx · Mar 14, 2007

The 7300GT should give you good results with Quake 4. See the following:

http://www.techspot.com/review/7-nvidia_geforce_7300gt_vs_ati_radeon_x1600pro/page3.html

It is definitely an improvement over your integrated video.

Anoobis · Mar 14, 2007

That's a DDR3 7300GT people. It's worlds better than the onboard X300 graphics your board has. It performs nearly on par with a reference 7600GS. I would use it if you plan on playing any, more current titles.

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

Well I did find out that the X300 on my motherboard is the same as the X300 that is a dedicated card I talked to the tech guys at ATI so that's good. But is the GeForce 7300 really way better than the ATI Radeon X300? Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.

jaguarskx · Mar 14, 2007

Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.

Did you bother clicking the link I provided? The 7300GT blows all other value segment dedicated video cards out of the water.

http://www.techspot.com/review/7-nvidia_geforce_7300gt_vs_ati_radeon_x1600pro/page3.html

The X300 will barely even handle 1024x768.

dude_here · Mar 14, 2007

Well I did find out that the X300 on my motherboard is the same as the X300 that is a dedicated card I talked to the tech guys at ATI so that's good. But is the GeForce 7300 really way better than the ATI Radeon X300? Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.

What part of "worlds better" don't you understand?

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

Here's the DxDiag file when I use the ATI onboard card with latest drivers.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/6/2007, 09:20:27
Machine name: DALLAS
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: RS480_
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 958MB RAM
Page File: 302MB used, 2011MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: /Silent
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Radeon Xpress Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Xpress Series (0x5974)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5974&SUBSYS_100215BD&REV_00
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)
Monitor: KDS Xtreme Flat XF-9b
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6666 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 2/2/2007 14:03:43, 264704 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 2/2/2007 14:03:25, 1975296 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1A34-11CF-076C-0830A1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x5974
SubSys ID: 0x100215BD
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV8_B ModeWMV8_A ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

Adammccl · Mar 14, 2007

Here's the DxDiag when I add the new video card.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/14/2007, 15:02:37
Machine name: DALLAS
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.061219-0316)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: RS480_
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 298MB used, 2064MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: /Silent
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 7300 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0393&SUBSYS_208F107D&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)
Monitor: KDS Xtreme Flat XF-9b
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9371 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 4527488 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 3994624 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-40D3-11CF-5657-850000C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0393
SubSys ID: 0x208F107D
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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