Only one core working when using Photoshop Elements 13. On Xeon E5 1650 V3 .

[PeterZ640]

I was monitoring the new Workstarion using Intel XTU. OK I know XTU can not Overclock an Intel E51650 Ver 3. On a 2011 V3 MB ( Supermicro X10SRA-O), but its a pretty good monitoring tool?

I did not try, nor could I change performance settings as all the adjustment controls are greyed out.

I had been warned by one tech savvy guy, who said when he benched marked the full version of Photoshop he saw very little performance gain from 3 to 4 Cores, and virtually none from 4 to 5 or more cores. He also said switching on a second CPU actually degraded performance ( note mine is a single CPU MB.

But I was surprised that doing most things in PSE 13, only one core seems to register any activity.

Thinking the other cores were broken I set up XTU in Monitor mode. And loaded CPU-Z and stressed the CPU. Instantly all the 6 cores came to life, and for example the comparative bench results against a reference i7 6700K in single core mode said that has a 16% advantage, but in multicore mode the E51650 V3 pasted the i76700K by 22%.

So as a total novice, am I right that my CPU cores are all working, its just that photoshop elements 13 - say when using the healling brush, is not coded to use multicores properly?

OK its early days, so not really had time to do much testing with different utilities in Photoshop Elements. So maybe there are other areas that utilise all 6 cores.

The system runs cool - average individual core temps of 29C to 37C (latter under multicore CPU-Z stress testing).

Any views - advice etc. Very Welcome.

E.g.
- Like, does the full version of Photoshop do this multicore usage better?
- yes I am right the cores are working properly its just the software!
- is it a MB issue?
- is there any control that could force Photshop to use multicores? If so where?

Just seems crazy that most CPUs today are at least 4 core or more..

Thanks Peter

The workstation
Phanteks Enthoo Evo E-ATX
Supermicro X10SRA-O 2011 v3 socket #
Intel Xeon E5 1650 V3
32 GB Samsung DDR4 2133 Mhz
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EVGA 1200W Supernova Platinum PSU
Noctua NH - D15 with Twin 150mm Fanned Cooler
6 other Noctua 140mm Fans (3 in 3 out)
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Intel 7620 AC Wifi Card #

Power Sonic 1000W UPS

# = Latest Bios and or Mfgs Drivers

 

[Rabmac]

It is possible that your CPU's cores are parked, which is a feature of Windows itself. Take a read at this and see if it applies to you and how to fix it: http://www.coderbag.com/programming-c/disable-cpu-core-parking-utility

 

[PeterZ640]

Thanks will check that, blimey whatever reason would one want to park cores!

 

[jaytechgaming]

The healing brush and some tools are not multithreaded. [strike]However, the majority of the photoshop tools are heavily multithreaded.[/strike] I have never used CC, but in CS6 most parts appear to use multiple threads on my 8320.

-Your cores are not broken, this is software.

 

[PeterZ640]

Interesting but surely say when the cpu got "behind" my healing brush dabs, why did it not open them up i.e.unpark them; as say when I benched the CPU- Z suddenlly all 6 core srang into life.?

 

[PeterZ640]

The healing brush and some tools are not multithreaded. However, the majority of the photoshop tools are heavily multithreaded.

Thanks, thats what the clever techy hinted at , if I remember correctly. And said something like well they will get around to it someday, somthen your 6 cores will work for you.

What slightly worries me ... Is when you say the majority of tools in Photoshop are .... Would that still hold true for Photoshop Elements 13.
E.g. i had to upgrade from 12 purely because that was only 32Bit.
Do you know if Photshop Elements is the same underlying code as thr full version of Photoshop or who could one ask.?

 

[jaytechgaming]

Try a trial of the newest "CS" version of photoshop and let me know how it goes. It could be a "CC" issue. I've never had an issue with the healing brush before.

 

[jaytechgaming]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-Multi-Core-Performance-625/

This was conducted on CC2014

"Conclusion

Most actions in Photoshop are either single threaded or lightly threaded. This means that you will get the exact same performance whether your system has two CPU cores or twenty CPU cores. For these actions, a CPU with a high operating frequency is key.
Multi-threaded actions hit a point of diminishing returns after around 6 CPU cores, and most completely stop improving after 8 CPU cores. This includes effects like color mode conversion, many blurs, hue/saturation, brightness/contrast, and shadow/highlight. The best multi-threaded effect (converting to Lab Color mode) had a decent multi-threading efficiency of about 94%, but most of these effects had an efficiency closer to 80% which isn't so great."


Edit:
With the healing brush, how big is your image?

Also, CPU parking is done automatically by your system and unparking them rarely leads to any performance improvements.

 

[PeterZ640]

Hmmm I had a very very bad experience trying to uninstall PSE 11, the installer didnt work well and their repair Installer still left hundreds of registry entries that killed my new Laptop.
Under threat of court actuon they put a hreat techy on the phone and he took over my laptop and it took him 3.5 hours to remove everything . And he was a genius he literally flew around that screen deleting this, substuting that .
Since then if there is aproblem with PSE I just reload the OS!
That problem was all about reversing out of a trial of 12 and the pigs dinner it left.!
But a nice idea!
Just had another withthe new update to PSE13.1 it got in a never ending loop after sucessfully updating!!

Btw the answer is to go into help about updates and do it again it then works!
Crap code imo

 

[jaytechgaming]

Hmmm I had a very very bad experience trying to uninstall PSE 11, the installer didnt work well and their repair Installer still left hundreds of registry entries that killed my new Laptop.
Under threat of court actuon they put a hreat techy on the phone and he took over my laptop and it took him 3.5 hours to remove everything . And he was a genius he literally flew around that screen deleting this, substuting that .
Since then if there is aproblem with PSE I just reload the OS!
That problem was all about reversing out of a trial of 12 and the pigs dinner it left.!
But a nice idea!
Just had another withthe new update to PSE13.1 it got in a never ending loop after sucessfully updating!!

Btw the answer is to go into help about updates and do it again it then works!
Crap code imo

I do not know what you are getting at with that message, but all in all, more CPU cores do not help PS except in certain filters. You should have very fast, high IPC cores, not a bunch of slow ones.

Photo Editing - Very Fast, low core count CPUS
Video Editing - As fast as possible, high core count CPUS

 

[PeterZ640]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-Multi-Core-Performance-625/

This was conducted on CC2014

"Conclusion

Most actions in Photoshop are either single threaded or lightly threaded. This means that you will get the exact same performance whether your system has two CPU cores or twenty CPU cores. For these actions, a CPU with a high operating frequency is key.
Multi-threaded actions hit a point of diminishing returns after around 6 CPU cores, and most completely stop improving after 8 CPU cores. This includes effects like color mode conversion, many blurs, hue/saturation, brightness/contrast, and shadow/highlight. The best multi-threaded effect (converting to Lab Color mode) had a decent multi-threading efficiency of about 94%, but most of these effects had an efficiency closer to 80% which isn't so great."


Edit:
With the healing brush, how big is your image?

Also, CPU parking is done automatically by your system and unparking them rarely leads to any performance improvements.

Thanks the image is about 120 to 180 MB
I Wonder if the threading in PSE 13 is different to that is CC.or CS.?

I Appreciate editing needs a fast clock speed but I Will also be soon editing 4K video so really need both , which one cant have.
A shame really because if it was multithreaded the performance of this box would be awesome.

Thanks for the other info as well. At least my core controller is not broken.
I wonder if they have improved the multithreading aspect in PSE 14, difficult to find out .
And most technical reviews are never for PSE.

 

[PeterZ640]

Hmmm I had a very very bad experience trying to uninstall PSE 11, the installer didnt work well and their repair Installer still left hundreds of registry entries that killed my new Laptop.
Under threat of court actuon they put a hreat techy on the phone and he took over my laptop and it took him 3.5 hours to remove everything . And he was a genius he literally flew around that screen deleting this, substuting that .
Since then if there is aproblem with PSE I just reload the OS!
That problem was all about reversing out of a trial of 12 and the pigs dinner it left.!
But a nice idea!
Just had another withthe new update to PSE13.1 it got in a never ending loop after sucessfully updating!!

Btw the answer is to go into help about updates and do it again it then works!
Crap code imo

I do not know what you are getting at with that message, but all in all, more CPU cores do not help PS except in certain filters. You should have very fast, high IPC cores, not a bunch of slow ones.

Photo Editing - Very Fast, low core count CPUS
Video Editing - As fast as possible, high core count CPUS

Thanks and agreed
Inwas getting at trying another version of PS scares me after a 3 week nightmare of a trial.