Opinion for New Configuration :)

[Kraspeto]

Hi, guys
This is my current PC configuration
-CPU AMD Sempron 3400+
-GPU Nvidia GeForce 7600 GS
-MOBO Gigabyte GA-m61sme-s2
-2 GBs of DDR2 RAM
-430 wats PSU
- 160 GBs Seagate HDD
Sooo , this configuration is TOO low to do anything.It lags on Facebook and I'am getting tired of it .I cant play LOL on low settings on it (without sounds still 10 fps ...) and i decided to change almost everything,but am VERY low on budget and i will get second hand parts.I decided to buy this parts -(they are sold together,and the seller has very good rate-227 positive marks)
-Intel Core Xeon CPU E5440
-2x2 GBs of 1066 MHZ DDR2 RAM
-Radeon HIS HD 6870 graphics.
-G31M-GS MOBO which is with 775 socket but the processor is 771 and the seller said that it is compatible and there is no problem but is it true ? And i want to ask if the new configuration is going to do well with LOL, while listening to music in Youtube or talking to Skype without any effort .Or even if i try playing more hardcore games like battlefield on medium to high settings .Just asking if its going to be a good PC for these days games and things.And what should be my new Power Supply(how much wats and so on ). I think the only thing left from my old parts is my 160GBs HDD ,which I'am going to change later.
P.S Sorry for my grammar I'am 15 yrs from Bulgaria , so its not my main language. :/

 

[Darkbreeze]

Well, it will be a lot better than what you currently have, but it's still going to be a turd as that's rather old hardware you plan to upgrade to. I honestly wouldn't waste the money on it. It would be far better, for you, to save a bit longer and upgrade to something that's truly going to offer you some real improvement. Not saying you need the latest and greatest, and I realize hardware availability is probably poor where you are, but I know there are some better options available to you if you can increase your budget a bit by saving a while longer or whatever.

The graphics card is probably ok though, for what you want to do. I'd take a serious look at the PSU, CPU and RAM though.

For that GPU, you really, REALLY, want at least a tier 3 unit and preferably a Tier 2 unit. Normally I only recommend Tier 1 and 2 units with gaming cards, but considering your financial situation, you might get by if you have at least a Tier 3 model.

PSU Tier list: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html

 

[Kraspeto]

Well, it will be a lot better than what you currently have, but it's still going to be a turd as that's rather old hardware you plan to upgrade to. I honestly wouldn't waste the money on it. It would be far better, for you, to save a bit longer and upgrade to something that's truly going to offer you some real improvement. Not saying you need the latest and greatest, and I realize hardware availability is probably poor where you are, but I know there are some better options available to you if you can increase your budget a bit by saving a while longer or whatever.

The graphics card is probably ok though, for what you want to do. I'd take a serious look at the PSU, CPU and RAM though.

For that GPU, you really, REALLY, want at least a tier 3 unit and preferably a Tier 2 unit. Normally I only recommend Tier 1 and 2 units with gaming cards, but considering your financial situation, you might get by if you have at least a Tier 3 model.

PSU Tier list: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html

So what do you offer me as RAM and CPU am oppened for suggestions.I will try to push my budget as far as i can.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Actually, the Xeon is not compatible with that board, without purchasing an additional adapter. Info and pricing found here:

http://www.delidded.com/lga-771-to-775-adapter/

And here:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=15&gbr=1&_fcid=1&_from=R40&_clu=2&_sacat=0&_nkw=lga+771+775+adapter&LH_PrefLoc=2&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1&rmvSB=true.



If you do that, upon further reconsideration, that's not too bad of a choice for an older CPU, but you'd be much better off with that CPU on a socket 771 board.

I'd highly recommend you go with an LGA 1150 board and either an i3 (For budget reasons, and because most games are GPU bound. i3 gaming benchmarks more often than not keep FPS and playability in the ballbark of the i5, which is the best current gaming CPU.).

If that's not an option, then go with your setup but I'd definitely want 4GB of RAM minimum. 8GB would be much better. Anything more than 8GB is unnecessary.

Many games wont even run with only 2GB of RAM.

I'd also scrutinize the PSU very closely. Report back to me with the intended model number, exact model and series, and I'll be happy to tell you if it's a poor choice. Moving up to that much more powerful GPU card is going to require a good PSU, not an average or crappy one, as I explained before.

You can read the following links to understand more about why the PSU is so important in this matter.

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2492424/laymans-simple-guide-solving-graphics-card-issues.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-power-supply,2862.html

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

 

[Kraspeto]

Actually, the Xeon is not compatible with that board, without purchasing an additional adapter. Info and pricing found here:

http://www.delidded.com/lga-771-to-775-adapter/

And here:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=15&gbr=1&_fcid=1&_from=R40&_clu=2&_sacat=0&_nkw=lga+771+775+adapter&LH_PrefLoc=2&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1&rmvSB=true.



If you do that, upon further reconsideration, that's not too bad of a choice for an older CPU, but you'd be much better off with that CPU on a socket 771 board.

I'd highly recommend you go with an LGA 1150 board and either an i3 (For budget reasons, and because most games are GPU bound. i3 gaming benchmarks more often than not keep FPS and playability in the ballbark of the i5, which is the best current gaming CPU.).

If that's not an option, then go with your setup but I'd definitely want 4GB of RAM minimum. 8GB would be much better. Anything more than 8GB is unnecessary.

Many games wont even run with only 2GB of RAM.

I'd also scrutinize the PSU very closely. Report back to me with the intended model number, exact model and series, and I'll be happy to tell you if it's a poor choice. Moving up to that much more powerful GPU card is going to require a good PSU, not an average or crappy one, as I explained before.

You can read the following links to understand more about why the PSU is so important in this matter.

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2492424/laymans-simple-guide-solving-graphics-card-issues.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-power-supply,2862.html

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

Well i cant go for better CPU. i3 are seem to be too much over my budget and in the description of the set that i want to buy there writes that the MOBO supports only to 4 GBs of RAM . So what I'am gonna do now ? I could buy Intel Quad Core,Dual core,Pentium but not i3.And I will find PSU. But the new CPU and MOBO are the question now.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Are the parts you were looking at buying new or used from the seller with the Xeon? If it's new, I'd just see if I could find a different board within your budget and get that chip, which is actually not bad at all, especially compared to your current chip and the fact that that model of Xeon has a 10MB onboard cache, which makes an otherwise "meh" processor seem a bit more capable. If it's used, I'd avoid it. I would never buy used hardware from anybody I wouldn't invite to dinner at my mother's house. Too much risk involved.

But I'm guessing you probably need to buy locally and understand you have to do what you have to do. Perhaps get that board and processor, along with an adapter which is absolutely essential and will probably need to be ordered online, and the 4GB of RAM that the board will support, and call it a day. It will still be a much improved setup over what you currently have.

 

[Kraspeto]

Are the parts you were looking at buying new or used from the seller with the Xeon? If it's new, I'd just see if I could find a different board within your budget and get that chip, which is actually not bad at all, especially compared to your current chip and the fact that that model of Xeon has a 10MB onboard cache, which makes an otherwise "meh" processor seem a bit more capable. If it's used, I'd avoid it. I would never buy used hardware from anybody I wouldn't invite to dinner at my mother's house. Too much risk involved.

But I'm guessing you probably need to buy locally and understand you have to do what you have to do. Perhaps get that board and processor, along with an adapter which is absolutely essential and will probably need to be ordered online, and the 4GB of RAM that the board will support, and call it a day. It will still be a much improved setup over what you currently have.

Or i could buy AMD proccessor and i can use my old MOBO.--->>http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=2507 which has the best performance i could buy it new i think . And no the sellers MOBO is not only limited to 4 GB.Read down and you will see http://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/g31m-gs/

 

[Darkbreeze]

Upgrading to a Phenom II X6 would make a nice difference, but you'd still want to add some RAM as well. As far as the other board being limited to 4GB, you said that, not me.

 

[Kraspeto]

Upgrading to a Phenom II X6 would make a nice difference, but you'd still want to add some RAM as well. As far as the other board being limited to 4GB, you said that, not me.

Sellers MOBO is NOT limited to 4 GB its limited TO 8 GBS. Hes wrong.And now i have 2GB ddr2 I can buy phenom ii x6 1045t but there will be no money for ram and psu ....Why my country is so screwed damn it. I have around 370 lv budget - 212.39 dollars. The set with the hd 6870 and e5440 and 4 gb ddr2 is 300 lv.So there i must buy nice PSU for 70 lv and you want from me to add more RAM hows that gonna happen ? Firstly there is so few nice PSU's for 70 lv.And i cant find 70 lv more for ddr2 4 gb and there are not slots on sellers MOBO. I have 2 gb on my PC but i dont know how i'am gonna use them ? If there were 4 slots on sellers MOBO i could put my old sticks and 6 gbs of RAM would be perfect.If i use my old mobo and buy a phenom ii x6 its 230 lv + hd6870 = 330 lv. 40 lv for PSU and Ram left ?!?!? Fck it...

 

[Darkbreeze]

I don't WANT you to do anything. I'm simply telling you how it would work best for you. You CAN go with using only 2GB of RAM for now, but you may encounter some issues with games or applications running out of memory or refusing to even work until you have at least 4GB. That doesn't mean you HAVE to do it now though. I would suggest you add 2GB of RAM for a total of 4GBs. Maybe down the road you can afford to remove your current modules and add two 4GB modules.

As far as the power supply goes, this is not a new situation for backwater countries like yours. Just kidding, I HAD to give you a little kick since you were whining too much. Seriously though, you already know how important the PSU is, and if you don't take a read of the following articles that explain it in depth. If you had to wait on EVERYTHING else in order to get a good PSU first, it would be worth it. Going with a crappy PSU makes getting ALL your other hardware pointless if it fails or damages everything because you went with a cheap unit.

Sometimes the road to what we WANT isn't as simple as we hoped it would be and we have to either reorganize our intentions or redouble our efforts in order to accomplish them.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-power-supply,2862.html

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/power-supplies-with-fake-80-plus-badges/1054

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRBu5egS6Ig

 

[Kraspeto]

I don't WANT you to do anything. I'm simply telling you how it would work best for you. You CAN go with using only 2GB of RAM for now, but you may encounter some issues with games or applications running out of memory or refusing to even work until you have at least 4GB. That doesn't mean you HAVE to do it now though. I would suggest you add 2GB of RAM for a total of 4GBs. Maybe down the road you can afford to remove your current modules and add two 4GB modules.

As far as the power supply goes, this is not a new situation for backwater countries like yours. Just kidding, I HAD to give you a little kick since you were whining too much. Seriously though, you already know how important the PSU is, and if you don't take a read of the following articles that explain it in depth. If you had to wait on EVERYTHING else in order to get a good PSU first, it would be worth it. Going with a crappy PSU makes getting ALL your other hardware pointless if it fails or damages everything because you went with a cheap unit.

Sometimes the road to what we WANT isn't as simple as we hoped it would be and we have to either reorganize our intentions or redouble our efforts in order to accomplish them.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-power-supply,2862.html

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/power-supplies-with-fake-80-plus-badges/1054

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRBu5egS6Ig

The set I'm going to buy is with 2x2GBs of 1066 Mhz = 4 GBs i think you didnt see that. The Xeon is good (with adapter) and there is HD 6870 if this set is good enough i could buy it and i'am going to have enough money for good PSU . I will put on my old HDD and put all the parts in my old case.But how much WATS will be the PSU is the next question? And again the set is with 4GBS of RAM

 

[Darkbreeze]

The HD 6870 needs a 500w unit if you go with a tier 1 or tier 2 unit. Anything else and you better go with at least a 600w unit and keep your fingers crossed.

 

[Kraspeto]

The HD 6870 needs a 500w unit if you go with a tier 1 or tier 2 unit. Anything else and you better go with at least a 600w unit and keep your fingers crossed.

Sooo you agree that the build is ok for my needaand i just need to find a good PSU and i'm rollin ?

 

[Kraspeto]

The HD 6870 needs a 500w unit if you go with a tier 1 or tier 2 unit. Anything else and you better go with at least a 600w unit and keep your fingers crossed.

Sooo you agree that the build is ok for my needaand i just need to find a good PSU and i'm rollin ?

 

[Darkbreeze]

I think you'll be fine. Of course it won't be as strong as something from the current generation hardware, but it will be miles above what you currently are having to deal with.

 

[Kraspeto]

I think you'll be fine. Of course it won't be as strong as something from the current generation hardware, but it will be miles above what you currently are having to deal with.

Sooo is this cooling good 550w artic cooling fusion 550r

 

[Darkbreeze]

No. I gave you the PSU tier list. If it's not on tier 1, 2 or 3, don't use it. Period. And I highly recommend you don't use a Tier 3 unit, but you may have to due to your budget. Here is it again.:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html


Arctic cooling have ONLY Tier 5 (Replace immediately) units. No good or ok units, just very bad ones.

 

[Kraspeto]

No. I gave you the PSU tier list. If it's not on tier 1, 2 or 3, don't use it. Period. And I highly recommend you don't use a Tier 3 unit, but you may have to due to your budget. Here is it again.:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html


Arctic cooling have ONLY Tier 5 (Replace immediately) units. No good or ok units, just very bad ones.

Fractal design integra m 550w i fo7nd it new and just in my budget.Will it do the job

 

[Darkbreeze]

Being a Tier 3 unit it's not the best, but it would do if it was all you could find. You would be much better off with something made by Seasonic, EVGA (B2 or G2 Series, not NEX, B1 or W1), XFX, Antec, Superflower or in all honesty, although I don't recommend them generally, a Corsair CX or Silverstone Strider might be better than a Fractal design unit made by ATNG like the Integra. I'd highly recommend something made by one of the first five I listed though.

 

[Kraspeto]

Being a Tier 3 unit it's not the best, but it would do if it was all you could find. You would be much better off with something made by Seasonic, EVGA (B2 or G2 Series, not NEX, B1 or W1), XFX, Antec, Superflower or in all honesty, although I don't recommend them generally, a Corsair CX or Silverstone Strider might be better than a Fractal design unit made by ATNG like the Integra. I'd highly recommend something made by one of the first five I listed though.

XFX Pro Series 550W PSU P1-550S-XXB9 or
Antec PSU 550W Antec VPF 550F EC NEW

 

[Darkbreeze]

XFX. It's made by Seasonic.

 

[Kraspeto]

XFX. It's made by Seasonic.

So with this PSU everythings gonna be alright and i just have to buy all the parts and i roll.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I can't tell you that "everything" is gonna be all right (Like the song says), but I can tell you that power supply issues won't likely be an issue nor will stability due to voltage related failures. That's a very good power supply. Seasonic makes all the XFX PSU models and when it comes to PSU quality and reliability, Seasonic is either #1 or #2, depending on who you ask.

 

[Kraspeto]

I can't tell you that "everything" is gonna be all right (Like the song says), but I can tell you that power supply issues won't likely be an issue nor will stability due to voltage related failures. That's a very good power supply. Seasonic makes all the XFX PSU models and when it comes to PSU quality and reliability, Seasonic is either #1 or #2, depending on who you ask.

Soo hi again there is a little change in my plans.The persons who sells the liked from me set has more like it too. I found other which is with Xeon X5450 this time and mobo which supports ddr2 and ddr3 too,and cpus fan is aside -i think its good.It was cooler master.But the price of this set with 8 gbs of DDR3 ram was too high and there werent any money for XFX psu i told him all this and he said he could make the build with 4gbs of ddr3 for less money abd he iffer me actually that he could build it all with the hd 6870 in his case and put a CHIEFTEC (GPS-450A) which he said is good PSU and actually he could combine all this with 8 GBS of ddr3 just for the money i have.Actually a whole Pc without dvd rw and hdd.Is this deal worth of i should want only 4 gbs of ddr3 and buy the mobo pu and hd6870 and atill give the money left for the XFX psu .?

 

[Darkbreeze]

Do NOT buy a Cheiftec PSU. They are Tier 5 crappy units. You'll be sorry if you buy that unit. Here's the deal. I was giving this guy the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, now I probably wouldn't buy ANYTHING from him. If he's willing to lie to you and say Chieftec is a good PSU then it's likely he's lied about a good many other things as well and probably won't be the kind of guy to honor any warranty considerations if you have troubles once you're out the door. Sounds like another cheap snake oil used car salesman to me.