Opinions on my desired gaming configuration

[cyroh6545]

Hello, i am currently building my new pc, it's sole use will be Gaming, and i need your opinions, i also have two questions

MB
MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING
Processor
Intel® Core™ i5-4670K
CPU Cooler
Thermaltake Contac 39
GPU
GTX760 MSI HAWK 2gb
HDD
1TB WD Blue
SSD
128GB Samsung 840 Pro Series
RAM
2x4GB 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance
Disk Drive
Samsung SH-224DB
Case
Thermaltake Overseer RX-I
PS
630W Thermaltake Smart SPS-630M

1: As i saved the money for this conf for quite some time now, i don't plan on changing the parts far to often, for how long do you think this configuration will last approximately (that i can play new games on at least medium-high detail at 1080p resolution)
2: What brand of gtx 760 do you think is the best?

 

[William Longstreet]

In all honesty, its a great build.

Then it says 760 2gb.

1. Constant GPU bottleneck
2. 2gb is not going to be enough for ultra/high at 1080P. I would suggest a MSI lightning 4 GB gtx 770. One of the best cards I've ever owned.
3. Brands, in this order:
Evga
Msi
Gigabyte
Asus

Baddies:
Galexy
Zotic
PNY

 

[cyroh6545]

In all honesty, its a great build.

Then it says 760 2gb.

1. Constant GPU bottleneck
2. 2gb is not going to be enough for ultra/high at 1080P. I would suggest a MSI lightning 4 GB gtx 770. One of the best cards I've ever owned.
3. Brands, in this order:
Evga
Msi
Gigabyte
Asus

Baddies:
Galexy
Zotic
PNY

Thank you for your reply, but the problem is that the GTX770 goes way over my budget, and as i seen on the benchmarks, the gtx 770 is not that much better in order for it to make up for the insane price difference(GTX760 Metro:Last light 50fps 30fps Crysis 3), While the GTX770(MSI Lightning version) achieved the average of 60fps for Metro and 36fps for Crysis. And i also belive 2gb are more than enough for gaming.

 

[bystander]

Could you show even a single example of where 2GB is not enough for 1080p? The only times I've seen 2Gb's not being enough is at 5760x1080p or higher, and only using settings that are too high for anything short of 3-way SLI to use.

Don't worry about 2gb, that is plenty for 1080p, unless you mod the hell out of Skyrim, or use 16x AA, which is kind of pointless.

 

[William Longstreet]

In all honesty, its a great build.

Then it says 760 2gb.

1. Constant GPU bottleneck
2. 2gb is not going to be enough for ultra/high at 1080P. I would suggest a MSI lightning 4 GB gtx 770. One of the best cards I've ever owned.
3. Brands, in this order:
Evga
Msi
Gigabyte
Asus

Baddies:
Galexy
Zotic
PNY

Thank you for your reply, but the problem is that the GTX770 goes way over my budget, and as i seen on the benchmarks, the gtx 770 is not that much better in order for it to make up for the insane price difference(GTX760 Metro:Last light 50fps 30fps Crysis 3), While the GTX770(MSI Lightning version) achieved the average of 60fps for Metro and 36fps for Crysis. And i also belive 2gb are more than enough for gaming.

Im telling you, your inccorrect.

Battle field 4 maxed settings takes 2.34 GB of vram at 1080P.

The fps difference is huge, as a 1080P monitor @ 60HZ, 60 fps is playable, an extra 10 fps from 50 is very noticeable. Also, you only looking at av fps, not at the latency between frames nor the pacing of them. Again, get a 4 GB 770, oc it. Its only 150$ more then a silly old 760, save your money. If you want a low end card you would play with med textures, and that means your getting console level 720P textures. Now try blowing that up to 1080P.

That's why you need a good card to run these games at high settings, your not getting what the game has to offer. By the way, you sound like a complete ass.

 

[William Longstreet]

Could you show even a single example of where 2GB is not enough for 1080p? The only times I've seen 2Gb's not being enough is at 5760x1080p or higher, and only using settings that are too high for anything short of 3-way SLI to use.

Don't worry about 2gb, that is plenty for 1080p, unless you mod the hell out of Skyrim, or use 16x AA, which is kind of pointless.

Dude..... Look at tomb raider. Most games now take up 1.8+ GB of vram.
16x as is not pointless. Ever play call of duty? Look at the red dot sight on a gun and cycle though aa levels

See the picked go away?

 

[bystander]

Could you show even a single example of where 2GB is not enough for 1080p? The only times I've seen 2Gb's not being enough is at 5760x1080p or higher, and only using settings that are too high for anything short of 3-way SLI to use.

Don't worry about 2gb, that is plenty for 1080p, unless you mod the hell out of Skyrim, or use 16x AA, which is kind of pointless.

Dude..... Look at tomb raider. Most games now take up 1.8+ GB of vram.
16x as is not pointless. Ever play call of duty? Look at the red dot sight on a gun and cycle though aa levels

See the picked go away?

Can you show a single example, and not just say how much vram it uses?

Take a look at these benchmarks:
http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-alpha-gpu-and-cpu-benchmarks/

You'll notice the Nvidia 2Gb cards go toe to toe with AMD's 3Gb cards, even at 1600p with no slow downs. With the same minimum FPS.

Just because a game will use up more than 2Gb of vram, does not mean it needs more than 2Gb of vram. Many games will simply not release vram until you run out. As a result, they give you the wrong information about how much vram is needed.

Here is Crysis 3:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-3-performance-benchmark-gaming,3451-6.html

Again, about the same minimum frame rate and similar max frame rates. If you run out of vram, your FPS drop like a rock, not just by a frame or 2. At the highest settings, Crysis 3 does not need more than 2Gb of vram. Neither does any game I've ever seen, short of a modded Skyrim setup.

 

[William Longstreet]

Could you show even a single example of where 2GB is not enough for 1080p? The only times I've seen 2Gb's not being enough is at 5760x1080p or higher, and only using settings that are too high for anything short of 3-way SLI to use.

Don't worry about 2gb, that is plenty for 1080p, unless you mod the hell out of Skyrim, or use 16x AA, which is kind of pointless.

Dude..... Look at tomb raider. Most games now take up 1.8+ GB of vram.
16x as is not pointless. Ever play call of duty? Look at the red dot sight on a gun and cycle though aa levels

See the picked go away?

Can you show a single example, and not just say how much vram it uses?

Take a look at these benchmarks:
http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-alpha-gpu-and-cpu-benchmarks/

You'll notice the Nvidia 2Gb cards go toe to toe with AMD's 3Gb cards, even at 1600p with no slow downs. With the same minimum FPS.

Just because a game will use up more than 2Gb of vram, does not mean it needs more than 2Gb of vram. Many games will simply not release vram until you run out. As a result, they give you the wrong information about how much vram is needed.

Here is Crysis 3:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-3-performance-benchmark-gaming,3451-6.html

Again, about the same minimum frame rate and similar max frame rates. If you run out of vram, your FPS drop like a rock, not just by a frame or 2. At the highest settings, Crysis 3 does not need more than 2Gb of vram. Neither does any game I've ever seen, short of a modded Skyrim setup.

Very interesting...... So your saying if I had 3 gig 780's then I ran a game that took up all my vram, what would happen? Would my fps not drop to 5-6 ?

 

[bystander]

Very interesting...... So your saying if I had 3 gig 780's then I ran a game that took up all my vram, what would happen? Would my fps not drop to 5-6 ?

What I'm saying is if a card runs out of VRAM, their FPS will drop to very low numbers. Not just a few FPS, but like from 30 to 10. There are some rare examples that show this, but only at 5760x1080 and above, and the FPS were still too low on the 4Gb cards from what I've seen. That may be changing soon, but not at the 1080p resolution.

In the review I showed, it does show that if you have a 3gb card, it will use more than 2gb of vram, or at least, it will reserve it. However, the benchmarks show the 2Gb cards do not have any lower minimum or average FPS, which suggests that there is no requirement to have more than 2Gb for max performance.

 

[teddymines]

Then maybe the OP needs to decide for himself how important it is to run at high resolution with high detail and high FPS. If he's fine with a less-than-maximum experience to save $150, then let him go that way.

 

[William Longstreet]

Very interesting...... So your saying if I had 3 gig 780's then I ran a game that took up all my vram, what would happen? Would my fps not drop to 5-6 ?

What I'm saying is if a card runs out of VRAM, their FPS will drop to very low numbers. Not just a few FPS, but like from 30 to 10. There are some rare examples that show this, but only at 5760x1080 and above, and the FPS were still too low on the 4Gb cards from what I've seen. That may be changing soon, but not at the 1080p resolution.

In the review I showed, it does show that if you have a 3gb card, it will use more than 2gb of vram, or at least, it will reserve it. However, the benchmarks show the 2Gb cards do not have any lower minimum or average FPS, which suggests that there is no requirement to have more than 2Gb for max performance.

I get the whole frame buffer full= 1-9 fps.

You where saying that the card will attempt to free vram. How does this work? Are textures off laid and do you only get to see what is visible to the games 3d complex?

 

[bystander]

Very interesting...... So your saying if I had 3 gig 780's then I ran a game that took up all my vram, what would happen? Would my fps not drop to 5-6 ?

What I'm saying is if a card runs out of VRAM, their FPS will drop to very low numbers. Not just a few FPS, but like from 30 to 10. There are some rare examples that show this, but only at 5760x1080 and above, and the FPS were still too low on the 4Gb cards from what I've seen. That may be changing soon, but not at the 1080p resolution.

In the review I showed, it does show that if you have a 3gb card, it will use more than 2gb of vram, or at least, it will reserve it. However, the benchmarks show the 2Gb cards do not have any lower minimum or average FPS, which suggests that there is no requirement to have more than 2Gb for max performance.

I get the whole frame buffer full= 1-9 fps.

You where saying that the card will attempt to free vram. How does this work? Are textures off laid and do you only get to see what is visible to the games 3d complex?

Basically, you can't use memory until you allocate it. This prevents different processes from overwriting data needed for other processes. Your program basically reserves XXX vram, but in order to avoid preventing other processes from using the vram, it will deallocate it when it feels it no longer needs it. Now in the case of a game, it probably is the only one allocating and deallocating vram, but it still needs to manage what it needs and doesn't. If a card has less vram than another, the code should be designed to be quicker about releasing vram not in use, while if you have a lot left, the game many leave it allocated, so that it doesn't have to allocate and reload data later.