Oven Baking GTX 560 Ti Fail, What could had went wrong?

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Hello Strangers and Random People AND WELCOME TO MY FIRST EVER POST!!!
(well at least first for a VERYYYYYYY longggggggggggggggggggggg time)


So here is a quick Back story, i brought cheap Dying GTX 560 ti, Testing out my luck to see if i could bake it back to laifu.
Which i Failed.



  • --{ PC SPECS }-- For those people who just want to look at my specs

    CPU:- i5-4460 3.2ghz
    RAM:- 4gb DDR3 Kingston 1600mhz
    GPU:- GTS 250 GALAXY 1gb version
    MOBO:- asrock h81m
    PSU:- aywun a1-5000 (DON"T FLAME About my crappy psu, i don't know about quality psu back then okay!!!??)
    HDD;- 1 WD 1tb blue, 1 wd 320gb blue, 1 wd 160gb, 1 TB wd Green. (forgot model numbers don't ask)
    Case:- not sure.
    CPU cooler:- Zalman cnps7x
    Fans:- 1 120mm arctic fan, not sure what model, and one 80mm fan i savage from an amd cpu cooler

I had tried the following to test out my dying GTX 560 Ti ASUS DIRECTCU II


  • *I had baked the card 3 times,
    once with the card facing up,
    second time facing down and
    third time facing up with the heat cranked up to 200 Celsius plus and minus 5 degrees
    This oven seems to work with the 8800 Gts i brought, but not the gtx 560 ti.

    *The Lines seems to presets when i plug the card in the pice 16x slot, so when i was about to give up, i throw the card into my pcie 4x slot just in case...

    * i plug it into my 4x slot, it actually works without the lines, ONLY SOMETIMES, as if i try to screw the card in place, the card starts pooping white lines again.

    --[ the following IS ALL tested under PCIE 4x slot, THE CARD Will not work UNDER PCIE16x SLOT]--
    *The card is overclocked by default, i tried under-clocking the memory clock and core speed to the lowest possible in msi after burner. no joy.

    *When i run Metro Last light, it actually run without artifacts for a few seconds, untill i crank up the settings to high and the card starts hitting 80 degrees, then white lines pop out again.


    A few days later, i plugged into my PCIE 16x slot,
    the gtx 560 ti starts with a few artifacts, so i restart the pc, and somehow it works.??? with no lines at all. so i start gpu-z and started a rendering test that under the bus interface.
    after 2-3 seconds, all the artifacts start pooping out again.



TL;DR
-GTX 560 ti White lines at bios
-GTX 560 ti artifices when gpu under full load or just standard load?
Tt1Wf6h.png

as you can see, once it reach gpu load 99 the driver crash.
-i didn't reinstall new driver, i just used the same driver that i used for my GTS 250
-GTX 560 ti works fine running 2D applications...
-GTX 560 ti will start crashing showing artifacts on screen after a while.


What i would like to know is:-
Is my Oven not hot enough to reflow the GTX 560 TI?
is it the GPU physically damaged? that is why the oven bake failed?
Is it the problem with the Vram ?
or could there be an other problem that is causing this card to fail?
I can't see any blown caps, so what else could it be?

Here are some images if you want to look at some images.
White lines:
Xr5tZ6x.jpg

Random Pics of the Gpu.

btw i am using a homemade molex to Pice 6 pin adapter XD
XpnBvqf.jpg


Thanks~

 
Reflowing solder works on occasion when the problem is broken traces on the PCB. With the artifcating, I would say the problem is more likely to the VRAM modules dying. Did you try cleaning the cooler and reapplying thermal paste and pads? Downcloking the card? The temperature required is going to have to be higher than 200 degrees, solder melts at around 375 degrees. I've had my best luck using a hot air gun, heating the traces until they turn "shiny". The other components on the PCB have to be protected from the heat in order to do this.

http://lifehacker.com/5823227/save-dying-video-cards-with-a-quick-bake-in-the-oven

 
@BadActor
Whats up, and welcome to my post :3

VRAM modules dying
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damn it, is there any ways to test if it is the vram modules dying?
as i said above, i manage to run Metro last night for a few seconds without a second artifact, (under pcie 4x slot) and when i crank the settings to high, the gpu load reach 99 and the artifacts appears.
then i forgot what happened, did the computer crash...or i closed metro last light... either way, it die when it reach that gpu load, and also the temps is about 80 degress C.

here is the gpu-z log for the MLL
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Did you try cleaning the cooler and reapplying thermal paste and pads
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After baking it, of course i reapply thermal paste XD, btw there isn't any memory pads for Gtx560 ti 🙁
hope it isn't the memory that got fried...

owncloking the card?
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When i manage to get into windows i used msi after burner, to downclock the memory and core speed, the artifacts still appears.
The card is overclocked by default.
Should i try flashing a default gtx 560 ti bios to see if it would help?

The temperature required is going to have to be higher than 200 degrees,
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Yeah, i didn't state is it fahrenheit or celsius, it is 200 degrees celsius. unless you aren't joking about putting the card in 375 celsius.... ... ...

I've had my best luck using a hot air gun, heating the traces until they turn "shiny"
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I usually smell melted metal when i oven bake my 8800gts (i think is toxic, so i didnt' sniff it XD)
but i couldn't smell anything after baking the gtx 560 ti...

thx
 
No way to tell if it's the VRAM for sure, but is sounds like it. When you load the card and the modules get warm is when you're having problems. Yea, I was talking farenheit, so you were in the neighborhood. I don't think flashing the Bios will help, but you could try it, you really don't have anything to lose.
 
@BadActor
Yay you haven't left me XD

[btw, a note before hand, the graphics card gives white lines when i plug it into my pcie slots, on both 16x and 4x, is just i fiddle around with it, pushing a bit left and right and switching between dvi port 1 and 2 to only temporary getting rid of the artifacts , so i can actually launch windows with the device manager reporting the display drive "working"... ]

Okay, i was about to say, thanks and throw that gtx 560 ti to my dead gpu pile.

Until, i decided to try one more thing before i let it go. (Let it go , let it go~! )

so, i download video memory stress test 1.7.116 (which is like 7 years old, haven't they update the thing?)

So i run the Video memory stress test on The GTX 560 ti on the PCIE 16x v2 slot, which only last for 2-3 minutes before the screen turns black
try for a few times and it still fail, saying "oh man well it is dead for sure."

Then i said to myself what a wonderfulllll wrolddddd ... okay off topic.
so i decided to throw the gtx 560 ti in the PCIE 4x v2.0 again,

And guess what,
IT manage to run the video memory stress test without CRASHING and it got ZERO ERROR...
but i set the test set at small.

so i try again at Express 15%, again the entire test was successful without crashing. no artifacts, zero errors.
here are the vmt log

These tests were all run in
test Type: Driectx
Surfaces size: 1024x1024
Ignore color bit mask: checked
Use on screen buffer: unchecked
Test set (small)
Changing video mode to 640x480x16...OK
[2/19/2016 5:34:03 PM] Test started for "Primary Display Driver (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti)"...
Trying 16bpp RGB:565 mode...OK
Trying 16bpp RGB:555 mode...OK
Trying 16bpp BGR:565 mode...NOT SUPPORTED (Code: 80004001)
Trying 32bpp RGB:888 mode...OK
Trying 32bpp BGR:888 mode...NOT SUPPORTED (Code: 80004001)
[2/19/2016 5:37:17 PM] Pass completed (0 errors found).

Test Set Express 15% i think
Changing video mode to 640x480x16...OK
[2/19/2016 5:37:39 PM] Test started for "Primary Display Driver (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti)"...
Trying 16bpp RGB:565 mode...OK
Trying 16bpp RGB:555 mode...OK
TEST FAIL (Code: 887601C2)
Trying 16bpp BGR:565 mode...NOT SUPPORTED (Code: 80004001)
Trying 32bpp RGB:888 mode...OK
Trying 32bpp BGR:888 mode...NOT SUPPORTED (Code: 80004001)
[2/19/2016 5:44:28 PM] Pass completed (0 errors found).


but when i try to do full test this shows up.
Changing video mode to 640x480x16...OK
[2/19/2016 5:50:56 PM] Test started for "Primary Display Driver (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti)"...
Trying 16bpp RGB:565 mode...OK
Trying 16bpp RGB:555 mode...OK
TEST FAIL (Code: 887601C2)
Trying 16bpp BGR:565 mode...NOT SUPPORTED (Code: 80004001)
Trying 32bpp RGB:888 mode...OK
TEST FAIL (Code: 887601C2)
Trying 32bpp BGR:888 mode...NOT SUPPORTED (Code: 80004001)
[2/19/2016 6:03:22 PM] Pass completed (0 errors found).
Trying 16bpp RGB:565 mode...OK
TEST FAIL (Code: 887601C2)
Trying 16bpp RGB:555 mode...OK
TEST FAIL (Code: 887601C2)
Trying 16bpp BGR:565 mode...NOT SUPPORTED (Code: 80004001)
Trying 32bpp RGB:888 mode...OK
TEST FAIL (Code: 887601C2)
Trying 32bpp BGR:888 mode...NOT SUPPORTED (Code: 80004001)
NO PASS COMPLETED

So i think this Vram testing software is a bit old,
Do you have any good Vram software that you use to test the graphics card vram?

not the ones with 3D software rendering, cause i try the OCCT, less then 3 seconds artifices comes on the screen and bam, black screen.

I even log the entire 3 test on gpu-z , here is the file if you want to look at it...even though is just numbers...
Here is the GPU-Z log when i was running the VMT
Temp are fine, 50 degrees C...not much GPU getting used...
 

just to nitpick a bit here, reflowing works when there are cracked solder joints on the board. The joints could be anywhere, the gpu chip itself or vram etc but the joints beneath the gpu are most likely to break.. so artefacting caused by the vram might still be repairable by baking the card.
Modern leadfree solders melt around 220C so setting the oven to 240c or there abouts should be enough. Typically even the weakest components can withstand temps up to 260c for few minutes so there is a liitle bit of safety marging.

And don't bake the card upside down, the bigger components are quite likely to fall off when the solder melts


edit and that is the creepiest looking adapter I've ever seen 😀
 
@BadActor yeah, been there, that is how i got the VMT XD
still, when i decided to try out the MemTestCL, it was already to late.
No matter how many times i unplug ,swapping between 4x 16x slots or switching between dvi 1 and 2.
The Card wont Get into Windows without crashing
Guess this is the end.
Since BadActor and kari both suggest is vram, i will classify the card as bad vram.

@Kari Welcome to my post.
Just as things can't get even worst (my pc audio somehow suddenly stop working) the oven in my house suddenly die too.
but, i will try 240 C when i get a chance, since it is already dying, might as well. btw should i bake for 8 min @ 240 C, longer or shorter ?


And don't bake the card upside down
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Yeah, i once try that with one of my old 6600 gt, 1 of thing fall off; that is why i try not to bake it upside down...but as you know, so many guides and videos out there keep showing them baking upside down...so i was like, might as well give it a try. luckily, now i know, it wasn't hot enough to melt the lead free solder.

After watching Reballing flip chip GPU is ...
I have like near zero hope of the re-flowing gonna wrok XD

Still, the card had bad vram, i don't have the tools and parts to fix...so might as well do it...


 
8 to 10 minutes should be enough. Unfortunately, baking cards and motherboards rarely work works as a fix, and even when it does, it ususally doesn't last long. YouTube videos only show when it works, not the multitude of fails that typically occur. About 10 or 12 years ago, HP laptops had a problem with the solder around the base of the CPU socket being too thin and prone to cracking. I was able to fix them about half the time, but it usually didn't work for more than a few months. I'd say the odds of baking a card and having it work aren't even that good.
 
@BadActor
i already baked the card in 200C... i am trying to bake the card again @ 240C suggested by Kari... but i want to know will it melt...or are you serious... 240C @ 8-10minutes again?

YouTube videos only show when it works
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and have you even actually click on the youtube link? or are you just talking about youtubers just uploads working oven baked gpu in general?
i now KNOW the reason behind the baking in oven, some of those Graphics card that got put in the oven might just had been a bad gpu, because the heat kicks everything in the bad gpu back in place(somehow), as explained in the youtube video...

I'd say the odds of baking a card and having it work aren't even that good.
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Yeah, that is why this is in discussion XD cause i know it wont work... cause i already baked the card and it failed.

About 10 or 12 years ago, HP laptops had a problem with the solder around the base of the CPU socket being too thin and prone to cracking. I was able to fix them about half the time
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An other reason why this is in discussion, cause i want to know why the Vram s dying, is it from over heating?
or overclocking?
and why is it affecting the start up (in bios i mean,), since not much vram is loaded.
and i thought vram problem just usually cause artifacts in game...

so many questions i want to know the answer to! is just so mysterious... any links i can have that explains them?
 
I've never used temperatures as high as that and I always place aluminum foil around the softer plastic parts, so I don't know if that will damage anything. Kari seems to think it will be OK, but I would defer to him on that. I've done parts as long as 14 minutes @ 380F without melting anything, but it sure does stink.

Edit - typo
 
Heat is generally what kills graphics cards as well as thermal expansion and contraction. Dirty power from PSU's, and even just time can also affect the longevity. Even though there are no moving parts on the PCB's, they don't have an infinite lifespan. Resistance and voltages can change over time.
 
Dirty power from PSU's,
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i am actually scared now, cause i got a very cheap psu, and last time i check the bios, which was yesterday, shwo more then a 5% safety range thing whatever you guys call it, on the 5V, 12V and 3V...
Maybe that could had cause my Pc audio to stop working, but that is an other topic.

But hey, as what you said
Resistance and changes in voltages over time can change.
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if they have good voltage regulators or whatever thing that controls the power on the GPU, in theory it was last for a long time.
Excluding the thermal death.
 
@BadActor

already too late XD

i did say at the beginning, i don't know about psu quality back then XD
unless you are so kind to give me 100 bucks to replace a new psu, i really can't do much beside hoping the PSU wont kill my entire computer.

so why you baked your card @ 380 F for 14 minutes...
did you just done it for fun?

 
I wasn't bashing you on the PSU, I read that above. I was just agreeing with your statement that it's a good reason to use a better PSU. I've had cards that have completely died and were out of warranty, so tried baking them as a last resort. Of the 5 or 6 I have tried, only one was successful. I don't even bother trying anymore.
 
@BadActor

I wasn't bashing you on the PSU
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no no no, i am not mad. i am just saying ~ XD

Of the 5 or 6 I have tried, only one was successful
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that is sad =/, btw what card was it when it worked?
(you should keep baking all your gpu , just for fun XD, beside dont' you like GPU for dinner?)

i got 3 bad card, a 6600 gt, ati 9200 SE (lol, i wonder what can this card run) and a 8800gts
the 6600gt had a bad vram, baked it , it didn't work.
but both ati 9200 se and 8800gts worked from baking, because it was a bad gpu.

and now a gtx 560 ti i brought, which also has bad vram, fuka, i can't replace bad vram :*(

btw i need to sleep now, got the zombie challenge, see ya.
 
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