Overclocked Intel Pentium G3258 For Autocad (5-10 hours perday)

[Dedy Martua]

(sorry for poor english grammar)
I want to build a machine for civil autocad, matlab, sap 2000,etc
(upgradeable for future too).
1. Is Intel Pentium G3258 OVERCLOCKED good for temporary cpu for civil autocad 2013++ machine?

2. How big is the performance different (%) between i7 4790k non OC vs i7 4790k OC (4.6 or 4.7 Ghz) for 2D and 3D ??

3. Which one is good and easy handling mobo for G3258 and i7-4790k (both) : MSI Z97M Gaming
Asrock Fatal1ty Z97X KILLER
GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-Gaming 3
GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD3H
GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD3H-BK (Black Edition)
(please give reason)

thx so much for your help..

 

[mdocod]

If you're doing 5-10 hours a day in CAD and Engineering applications, you should probably be building a machine based around the C226 or C612 chipset with a quad core E3 or E5 Xeon and ECC memory. Using an overclocked Z97 rig for this is highly unprofessional. Leave that for gaming rigs that deal with real-time workloads where there is no risk of lost productivity.

 

[bambiboom]

Dedy Martua,

In my view you're going in a direction that will probably not lead to an especially good performing, reliable, or very unpgradable system. Systems that are very good at either workstation applications or at gaming will usually be compromised in the other use- it's best to focus on the primary use. Matlab is designed for high multi-threading and so a dual core will not be satisfactory- as for a lot of rendering programs, the more cores the better. AutoCad Civil is reasonably demanding as well, and will benefit from a good dedicated graphics card. In either use, overclocking is not an especially good idea for stability reasons.

An alternative approach to the need for a good performing workstation on a budget would be to consider a used Dell Precision in the X500 series- T3500, T5500, and T7500. These are fully depreciated $2000-$8000 systems costing as little as 1/10th the original cost, beautifully made and can use 6-core CPU's, or two 6-core CPU's in the case of the T5500 and T7500, can use a lot of ECC RAM- 192GB in the case of a T7500 with an extra memory board, and they can have two 150W graphics card if necessary. They have large power supplies too- a T5500 is 875W and a T7500 has an 1100W. Have a look for a T3500 with the W3690 six-core 3.47 / 3.73GHz, 6 or 12GB ECC RAM (RAM in LGA1366 is in sets of 3), possibly a Quadro 2000 or 4000 and the results could be very good for your uses. This kind of system can cost as little as $500-600 in the US and probably ready to use much sooner and with less effort than building.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

[ HP z420, Xeon E5-1620 (4-core @ 3.6 / 3.8GHZ), 24GB ECC 1600, Quadro K2200, Intel 730 480GB / WD Black 1TB, Win 7 Professional > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H ]

 

[Dedy Martua]

@bambiboom : btw thx for advice

I live in small city in Sumatera Island (Indonesia), i can't get any of Dell workstation in here.
Nearest Dell Dealers in Indonesia is in Jakarta (Java Island), and also i doubt there is a ready stock workstation of x500 series T3500, T5500, T7500.

The cheapest dell workstation that i know (ready stock maybe) is :
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku01714764/dell_precision_t3610__xeon_e5-1607_v2_.aspx
(Intel Xeon E5-1607 v2, 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVD±RW, VGA NVIDIA Quadro K2000 2GB, Non Monitor, Win7 Pro 64bit)
Price : 28.600.000 Rupiah (with 1 US$ = 12.600 Rupiah, its about US$ 2.270)

and for other alternative is :
http://www.bhinneka.com/products/sku00914449/hp_z230t__xeon_e3-1245v3__workstation.aspx
(Intel Xeon E3-1245v3, 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3, 1TB HDD SATA, DVD±RW, VGA NVIDIA Quadro K2000 2GB, Win8 Pro 64-bit)
Price : 24,924,900 Rupiah (approx US$ 1980)


I have access to buy a workstation in ebay or amazon,
but when this workstation comes to Indonesia, everything goes crazy.
Tax regulation here is bullsh1t, tax-free for from another country is only for a goods under 50 US$
So basically if i buy a workstation US$ 2000 from ebay or amazon = Workstation + Shipping + TAX = US$ 5000.
That is insane...
:lol: :lol:


My max option here that i can really grab easily only

an Intel I7-4790K + Z97X mobo + 16 or 32 DDR 3 Ram (unbuffered, non-ECC).

It's hard for me to finding a real and new workstation here in Indonesia. The most "brand new" workstation here is only an old stuff.

Luckily, someone here is selling a used quadro 2000. So, any other solution specification for me to get a cad machine with i7-4790k + quadro + z97x mobo + ddr3 ram (unbuffered, non-ECC) ??
Thx

 

[mdocod]

Nobody there sells C226 or C612 chipset motherboards?

 

[bambiboom]

Dedy Martua,

I'm pleased to help if I can.

Yes, I see the situation better. There does appear to be shops in Jakarta with a good selection of parts and a Dell Xeon E5 would be very good for your use.

Perhaps a good start would be to set a limit for the total cost and also something more about your use of the system. The Matlab use suggests a lot of fast cores -but not overclocked, plus ECC RAM, and AutoCad and Civil suggest 3D modeling a strong graphics card- that kind of thing. With Matlab are you doing dynamic structural simulation such as seismic? Are you doing graphics and rendering? Whatever you can say about the use will help focus the hardware choice.

It does sound though that an LGA2011-3 system would be a good basis so there in flexibility in the number of cores. You could start with a four-core Xeon E5 and upgrade to six or ten- whatever was needed. This could extend the use of the system perhaps 2 or more years. Also, with Matlab , ECC RAM is suggested, especially if you are doing waveform analysis. If you are using several applications with viewports, a Quadro or Firepro graphics card might be advisable, and Firepro may be better for Matlab and simulation as they are somewhat more calculation orientated.

But, all options are possible. Let us know a bit more and we can then focus the choices.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

 

[Dedy Martua]

I think i will pass this xeon cuz of this

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-2015-platform-details-revealed-compatible-100-series-chipset-supports-ddr4-gt4e-graphics-chip-desktop/

I will wait for broadwell or skylake, and for now, i think i will save my money with H97 mobo + i5 / i7 non K series. That's sufficient for me maybe for 1 year before replacing it with skylake + LGA 1151 mainboard.
Unless, my company where i work want to help to in funding problem, that's another story. I can't afford a xeon workstation price by myself.
For the comparison : US$ 1000 workstation in USA = US$ 1750 or 2000 here..

=D

 

[Dedy Martua]

And for addition info, workstation in here have less spec, example :

in US
US$ 2000 workstation = xeon + mobo + 16 gb RAM + HDD
in here
8 gb RAM only and HDD cut in half + different PSU