Overclocking 4790k on Gigabyte Z97x - SLI ( need help please )

[cm0scm0s]

Hello,

I'm trying to overclock my 4790k, but i'm running into some problems,

I'm currently using these guides :
http://www.overclock.net/t/1490835/the-gigabyte-z97x-overclocking-guide
http://www.overclock.net/t/1401976/the-gigabyte-z87-haswell-overclocking-oc-guide

But the problem is some things are contradictory on the 2 tutorials and some of the things i don't understand completely.

My goal is to get a stable 4.7 ghz

On the Z87 Tutorial there is a template that looks something like this:

"An Easy 4.4/4.5/4.6GHz Template:
Here are the settings I used; you can use them as a template for your settings:
Profile #1 Basic Profile:
CPU VRIN Override LLC: Set to Extreme (this is to make sure VIN doesn’t droop)
CPU VRIN Override Voltage: 1.7-2.0v (reduce if temperatures too high is causing instability, increase if temperatures are fine and you are unstable)
VCore: 1.24-1.34v
Ring Voltage: 1.15 or 1.2v
CPU Multiplier: 44x-46x
BCLK: Auto
Turbo: Auto
C1E, C3, C6/C7, and EIST: All Disabled (There is a table in Step #1 which describes the behavior or different power saving features and what to enable/disable to get the behavior you want.)"



Now the other build tells me to do this for overclocking :

CPU Overclocking: CPU Frequency = BCLK * BCLK Multiplier *CPU Multiplier

But the other build tells me to leave it on auto, and i dont think i want to mess around with the BCLK.

And here is an example of a template given by the z97 guide:

"Example of 4.5GHz OC with XMP and drop in CPU voltage and multiplier at idle (If you don?t see a setting below then assume it is ?Auto?):
Frequency:
CPU Clock Ratio: 45x
XMP: Enable
Uncore Ratio: 40x or 43x
C1E: Disable
C6/C7: Disable
CPU Thermal Monitor: Disable
C3: Enable
EIST: Disable
Voltage:
CPU VRIN Loadline Calibration: Extreme
CPU Phase Control: Extreme Performance
VRIN Override: 2.2v
VCore: 1.275v
Ring Voltage: 1.1v"

Do you see the differences with the z87 tutorial ?
Also its not explained WHY you would disable some things or what they are like "EIST" etc.

And something else bothers me, In one tutorial you dont need to overclock the Uncore ratio, and in others you do.



I don't ask for much i just want a stable 4.7 ghz overclock with the minimum possible heat.

I would also like the clockspeeds to throttle when idle.

Is there anyone here that has a good template for me and some explanations?

 

[overco]

What voltage did you put it on?

 

[cm0scm0s]

What voltage did you put it on?

Nothing yet.

I'm trying to figure out what settings to change and what not to change.

It's hard is different tutorials tell you different things.

 

[overco]

What voltage did you put it on?

Nothing yet.

I'm trying to figure out what settings to change and what not to change.

It's hard is different tutorials tell you different things.

I can help you through it all if you want to PM me, using the thread is a bit obnoxious.

 

[cm0scm0s]

What voltage did you put it on?

Nothing yet.

I'm trying to figure out what settings to change and what not to change.

It's hard is different tutorials tell you different things.

I can help you through it all if you want to PM me, using the thread is a bit obnoxious.

Thanks I'd apreciate it.

Also i'd like to see different perspectives of people regarding this particular mobo.

I'll be off from work in 3 hours.

 

[overco]

Well what I can tell you, the tutorials are really just baselines and you chose a good chip set to work with. Z97 is great. To really find out where to go you have to try yourself. (I know its difficult to hear that because a lot want a straight forward answer.) It really helps to have someone guide you personally. If not, it will take you what it took me to figure it out by a guide, hours, lots of them.

 

[sizzling]

I think its worth pointing out there is no guarantee 4.7Ghz stable is achievable. Every system is different and that's a high expectation

 

[overco]

I think its worth pointing out there is no guarantee 4.7Ghz stable is achievable. Every system is different and that's a high expectation

Typically, it is always very possible but, can require a LOT of voltage, but even at that its still possible, just not cool.

 

[cm0scm0s]

Yeah i understand what you guys are saying.

I'm not going to probe around with settings i do not know. I already had to RMA a faulty chip and that drama is now in the past.

My problem is the following : Different tutorials are using different settings .

With settings i'm not talking about one guy does 1.15v and the other does 1.2

No i mean actual settings. Completely different functions in the bios are changed by different tutorials. This is what makes it confusing to a hasswel noob.

I hope someone can give me some str8 forward guidelines..

For example overclock uncore y/n overclock cpu ring y/n what to leave on auto , what not to leave on auto , do i enable power saving ? , do i OC turbo's ? do i disable turbo's and let it run on 4.7 base .


Just too many questions , and a lot of tutorials are confusing.

I spent good money on this rig,

I hope you can help me with a basic template to start from there. I'm not asking you to tell me the value's
Just tell me what to touch and what not.

 

[overco]

I turn off turbo, no power saving, NO AUTO on vcore, frequency, or ram. I keep ring ratio at 40. Vcore for anything over 4.4 will usually be between 1.2-1.3v. Don't go over 1.3 without water cooling or very good air cooling. Vcore should be set to override/manual, NOT dynamic.

 

[overco]

Anything beyond that, I would recommend to do extensive research or consult another user of the processor, such as me or anyone with it on this forum.

 

[cm0scm0s]

I turn off turbo, no power saving, NO AUTO on vcore, frequency, or ram. I keep ring ratio at 40. Vcore for anything over 4.4 will usually be between 1.2-1.3v. Don't go over 1.3 without water cooling or very good air cooling. Vcore should be set to override/manual, NOT dynamic.

Hmm thanks for the info.

What is the difference between running Baseclock multiplier at 47 and turning tubo off. And running baseclock multiplier at 40 with tubo at 47?

Also why do you turn off intel speed step?

Wouldnt you benefit from the core running at ~800mhz at idle ?

 

[overco]

The only benefit of the running 800mhz at idle is power consumption. THAT'S IT. You leave speedstep on, and never have turbo because you want a flat 47x multiplier.

 

[cm0scm0s]

The only benefit of the running 800mhz at idle is power consumption. THAT'S IT. You leave speedstep on, and never have turbo because you want a flat 47x multiplier.

I understand that it is the only benefit. That's why i'm asking why you turned it off? Is there a disadvantage?

Also; Please answer this! it would clarify a lot for me; Why do i want a 47 flat multiplier? Why not 47 turbo? What is the difference.


Correct me if i am wrong but.
Turbo mode is nothing more than a overclock by itself .

What is the differents (benefits or disadvantages) of using a 47 core multiplier or 47 turbo multiplier

 

[Sergeant_Sneaky]

The only benefit of the running 800mhz at idle is power consumption. THAT'S IT. You leave speedstep on, and never have turbo because you want a flat 47x multiplier.

I understand that it is the only benefit. That's why i'm asking why you turned it off? Is there a disadvantage?

Also; Please answer this! it would clarify a lot for me; Why do i want a 47 flat multiplier? Why not 47 turbo? What is the difference.


Correct me if i am wrong but.
Turbo mode is nothing more than a overclock by itself .

What is the differents (benefits or disadvantages) of using a 47 core multiplier or 47 turbo multiplier

Turning off speedstep will give your pc the full cpu speed without it having to jump up to speed, it will use a bit more power at idle though.
A flat 47 multiplier will perform better as it won't have to jump up in speed, which can sometimes cause a stutter. Turbo mode is kind of like an overclock but not for all the cores, if a game/app is using only 2 cores, it can boost up to the turbo speed if needed.
Using a 47 core multiplier will get a you 4.7Ghz on all cores (if your chip can achieve that) and a 47x turbo multiplier will only reach 4.7Ghz on one or two cores.
I have the same motherboard and the only thing I did was raise my core voltage to 1.2v and raised the core multiplier by 1 and stress tested for stability, then repeated if it was stable.