Overclocking C16 DDR4 RAM or Tighten Timings

[64Timothy121]

Should I overclock the 16gb (8Gb x 2) 3000mhz C16 RAM (Trident Z or Flare X) to 3466 or should I tighten the timings? which is better? Or if I could even overclock/tighten the RAM I said on the top. xD

I chose C16 because C14/C15 RAM are so expensive. (US$287 for the Trident Z 16GB C14 and US$246 for the Flare X 16GB C14, can't see C15s in the Philippines)
I'm using Ryzen 5 2600 and Asus B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC

 

[ebosss03]

Overclocking the Mhz will have better performance if that is what you are seeking for. However overcloking the RAM is niet always very stable. Lower latency RAM is not used by alot of programs some do benifit from it but not in gaming. CL16 and CL14 will have a 3FPS diffrence and 400Mhz will have around 8fps diffrence.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Actually, in this case they are much the same. The difference between 3000, 3200, 3466 is actually minimal. The greatest bump in performance for Rzyen comes from 2400 going up to 3000, where the results can be as large as 10-15%. However after 2966mhz, the effects of fast ram taper off and the difference is only a couple of % at best

 

[64Timothy121]

Overclocking the Mhz will have better performance if that is what you are seeking for. However overcloking the RAM is niet always very stable. Lower latency RAM is not used by alot of programs some do benifit from it but not in gaming. CL16 and CL14 will have a 3FPS diffrence and 400Mhz will have around 8fps diffrence.

Actually, in this case they are much the same. The difference between 3000, 3200, 3466 is actually minimal. The greatest bump in performance for Rzyen comes from 2400 going up to 3000, where the results can be as large as 10-15%. However after 2966mhz, the effects of fast ram taper off and the difference is only a couple of % at best

Ok Ok, do I need some Samsung B-Die RAMs (mostly the C14 RAMs I said above that are expensive) to overclock it? I wanted the high and stable FPS that the RAM gives when in higher speed in the same time saving money from the B-Die RAMs.
Thanks for your advices.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

I'm not sure what your goal is here. Is it to buy any particular set of DIMMS and OC them? Or is it to have the fastest speed DIMMS with lowest CL timings. If it's the latter, just buy the fastest you can afford.

The problem with OC'ing, ram particularly, but specially those that are already OC'ed (like the DIMMS you are referring to), is that it's very hit and miss. CPU/GPU OC'ing is a little different.

For ram, you may be lucky to get 2 mem straps above stock. So if you have 3000mhz DIMMS, it's unlikely you'll OC them to 3466 speeds. The reason is, for those DIMMS to hit 3000mhz in the first place, then the voltage is high, typically in the order of 1.3v to get the 3000mhz rating. So you don't have much room from a voltage standpoint to get further increases in speed by OC'ing.

A good example would be my own ram. It's generic Crucial 2400mhz ram. I have it OC'ed to 2733. I'm able to do this, because the voltage for 2400mhz (stock) is only 1.2v. So by increasing the voltage, and upping the speed, I can OC mine relatively easy (and when I say easy, I mean hard - it took a lot of testing and messing around with timings to get it stable).

So with the DIMMS you are talking about, you just don't have enough voltage headroom to increase the speeds by 400mhz. You might fry the DIMMS trying to get there unless you really know what you are doing.

So, like I said, get the fastest DIMMS you can with the lowest timings. DOn't worry about OC'ing at that speed. It doesn't yield enough performance increase to justify the OC.

 

[64Timothy121]

I'm not sure what your goal is here. Is it to buy any particular set of DIMMS and OC them? Or is it to have the fastest speed DIMMS with lowest CL timings. If it's the latter, just buy the fastest you can afford.

The problem with OC'ing, ram particularly, but specially those that are already OC'ed (like the DIMMS you are referring to), is that it's very hit and miss. CPU/GPU OC'ing is a little different.

For ram, you may be lucky to get 2 mem straps above stock. So if you have 3000mhz DIMMS, it's unlikely you'll OC them to 3466 speeds. The reason is, for those DIMMS to hit 3000mhz in the first place, then the voltage is high, typically in the order of 1.3v to get the 3000mhz rating. So you don't have much room from a voltage standpoint to get further increases in speed by OC'ing.

A good example would be my own ram. It's generic Crucial 2400mhz ram. I have it OC'ed to 2733. I'm able to do this, because the voltage for 2400mhz (stock) is only 1.2v. So by increasing the voltage, and upping the speed, I can OC mine relatively easy (and when I say easy, I mean hard - it took a lot of testing and messing around with timings to get it stable).

So with the DIMMS you are talking about, you just don't have enough voltage headroom to increase the speeds by 400mhz. You might fry the DIMMS trying to get there unless you really know what you are doing.

So, like I said, get the fastest DIMMS you can with the lowest timings. DOn't worry about OC'ing at that speed. It doesn't yield enough performance increase to justify the OC.

Well then, as the RAMs are so expensive here I have no choice but to follow you and save a handy of bucks. I would still give attention to the tech news and rumors as they say the RAM prices will go lower next year/month. I'll buy new RAM until we have the money. Cheers for the Christmas!