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Hello. I have an ecs l7vmm3 which is supposed to be able to run at 2.5
gHz. It uses an overclocked athlon 2200 cpu. I am able to get a top fsb of
149 mhz, but system info tells me it's running at 1.86 gHz. I
should be able to get it up to 2.5 gHz. Anyone know how to do this? I'm a
novice at this, and would appreciate the help.

Thanks
Tom
 
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tomW wrote:

> Hello. I have an ecs l7vmm3 which is supposed to be able to run at 2.5
> gHz. It uses an overclocked athlon 2200 cpu. I am able to get a top fsb of
> 149 mhz, but system info tells me it's running at 1.86 gHz. I
> should be able to get it up to 2.5 gHz. Anyone know how to do this? I'm a
> novice at this, and would appreciate the help.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>
>

What makes you think it should run 2.5 gig?
 
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:32:52 -0700, tomW wrote:

> Hello. I have an ecs l7vmm3 which is supposed to be able to run at 2.5
> gHz. It uses an overclocked athlon 2200 cpu. I am able to get a top fsb of
> 149 mhz, but system info tells me it's running at 1.86 gHz. I
> should be able to get it up to 2.5 gHz. Anyone know how to do this? I'm a
> novice at this, and would appreciate the help.
>
Without overclocking the MB, it's capable of 24x133.34MHz FSB for about
3200MHz. To achieve 2500MHz, you will need an unlocked cpu capable of
those speeds. maybe a new mobile, but not likely with an older 2200+. BTW,
if you get 1860MHz with a 149Mhz FSB then you've got the mutliplier set to
12.5.

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm
 
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tomW wrote:
> Hello. I have an ecs l7vmm3 which is supposed to be able to run at
> 2.5 gHz. It uses an overclocked athlon 2200 cpu. I am able to get a
> top fsb of 149 mhz, but system info tells me it's running at 1.86
> gHz. I
> should be able to get it up to 2.5 gHz. Anyone know how to do this?
> I'm a novice at this, and would appreciate the help.

As with all "motherboard + CPU" ECS motherboards, you've been scammed, sorry
to say (though you actually seem to know what CPU you've got, which is
better than most). You've actually done not too badly out of it. Most people
buying L7VMM3's end up with Duron 1600's or 1800's, but assuming that you
haven't changed the multiplier, you've got a Mobile XP2200+ (1667MHz Barton,
133MHz FSB), running at stock (not overclocked by default). However, the
chipset used on the board is the fairly ancient Via KM266 so you're not
going to get a FSB above about 150MHz.

So, you've got to increase the multiplier. Pretty much the only way I
recommend doing it (assuming your board does not support multiplier changes)
is by painting pins. If your CPU is soldered onto the board, then you will
have to do painting on the back of the motherboard. If it's removable, then
I recommend you paint the pins on the CPU itself.

If the changes aren't "sticking", then the BIOS is probably kicking the CPU
back to the multiplier specified by the L6 bridges using PowerNow. In this
case you either have to cut and rejoin the L6's to specify your multiplier,
or take the more recommended route of cutting the 3rd L5 bridge to disable
PowerNow capability.

A mobile 2200 will probably top out somewhere around 2.2 to 2.3GHz,
depending on what sort of cooling you have, what sort of chip it is, and how
high you push the voltage. Posting the three lines of codes on top of the
CPU will enable better prediction of what the CPU is capable of (as well as
confirming exactly what CPU you have). You'll be wanting to run your FSB as
high as you can, so assuming you have no multiplier adjustment facilities,
painting a multiplier of 15.0 will probably be a good starting point and
give you a bit of an idea of what the chip is capable of.

--
Michael Brown
www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more :)
Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open
 
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Thanks for the response. I'm assuming I need to do something like this?
http://www.upgrade123.com/html/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=30
(you need to highlight the text; select all)

This looks challenging, but I'll give it a go if it means I can get higher
gHz.

By the way, this is the info on the cpu:
AXDA2000DXV3C 4157203972343
KIUHB0342MPM
1999 AMD

Thanks
Tom
"Michael Brown" <see@signature.below> wrote in message
news:R5b4d.5255$JQ4.448566@news.xtra.co.nz...
> tomW wrote:
>> Hello. I have an ecs l7vmm3 which is supposed to be able to run at
>> 2.5 gHz. It uses an overclocked athlon 2200 cpu. I am able to get a
>> top fsb of 149 mhz, but system info tells me it's running at 1.86
>> gHz. I
>> should be able to get it up to 2.5 gHz. Anyone know how to do this?
>> I'm a novice at this, and would appreciate the help.
>
> As with all "motherboard + CPU" ECS motherboards, you've been scammed,
> sorry
> to say (though you actually seem to know what CPU you've got, which is
> better than most). You've actually done not too badly out of it. Most
> people
> buying L7VMM3's end up with Duron 1600's or 1800's, but assuming that you
> haven't changed the multiplier, you've got a Mobile XP2200+ (1667MHz
> Barton,
> 133MHz FSB), running at stock (not overclocked by default). However, the
> chipset used on the board is the fairly ancient Via KM266 so you're not
> going to get a FSB above about 150MHz.
>
> So, you've got to increase the multiplier. Pretty much the only way I
> recommend doing it (assuming your board does not support multiplier
> changes)
> is by painting pins. If your CPU is soldered onto the board, then you will
> have to do painting on the back of the motherboard. If it's removable,
> then
> I recommend you paint the pins on the CPU itself.
>
> If the changes aren't "sticking", then the BIOS is probably kicking the
> CPU
> back to the multiplier specified by the L6 bridges using PowerNow. In this
> case you either have to cut and rejoin the L6's to specify your
> multiplier,
> or take the more recommended route of cutting the 3rd L5 bridge to disable
> PowerNow capability.
>
> A mobile 2200 will probably top out somewhere around 2.2 to 2.3GHz,
> depending on what sort of cooling you have, what sort of chip it is, and
> how
> high you push the voltage. Posting the three lines of codes on top of the
> CPU will enable better prediction of what the CPU is capable of (as well
> as
> confirming exactly what CPU you have). You'll be wanting to run your FSB
> as
> high as you can, so assuming you have no multiplier adjustment facilities,
> painting a multiplier of 15.0 will probably be a good starting point and
> give you a bit of an idea of what the chip is capable of.
>
> --
> Michael Brown
> www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more :)
> Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open
>
>
 
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tomW wrote:
> Thanks for the response. I'm assuming I need to do something like
> this?
> http://www.upgrade123.com/html/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=30
> (you need to highlight the text; select all)
> This looks challenging, but I'll give it a go if it means I can get
> higher gHz.
>
> By the way, this is the info on the cpu:
> AXDA2000DXV3C 4157203972343
> KIUHB0342MPM
> 1999 AMD

you need to unlock your xp2000, it's a t bred B core, which will go up to
2.3ghz, 2.5ghz at best (if you have the right stuff)

the key is to unlock it, i wouldn't recommend it though, you have to mess
about with the connections on the top of the cpu (pins)

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?DetailID=418&MenuID=0&LanID=8

but as others have pointed out, you got scammed, not too bad, some poeple
have bought amd pro 3200, whatever they are, nothing but relabled cpu's,
hence your amd 2200 is really an xp2000

also not sure about tbred B, it might be a T bred A, don't think so though
next time buy some decent kit, in the mean time learn about fsb and
multiplyers, also locked pci and agp bus, and what motherboards/chipset
combo's work best

best combo for amd for xp cpu's is
nforce 2 ultra 400 chipset (abit AN7, or NF7)
xp2500
pc3200 ram

simple case of running the system at 200fsb, instead of 166mhz, and you get
an xp3200

toms hardware is good site to learn about new stuff, and what it really
does, what to avoid and such
 
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tomW wrote:
> Thanks for the response. I'm assuming I need to do something like
> this?
> http://www.upgrade123.com/html/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=30
> (you need to highlight the text; select all)
>
> This looks challenging, but I'll give it a go if it means I can get
> higher gHz.

It's probably going to be a fair bit easier that what that page says (see
below).

> By the way, this is the info on the cpu:
> AXDA2000DXV3C 4157203972343
> KIUHB0342MPM
> 1999 AMD

OK, so it loks pretty much just like a stock Athlon XP 2000+ (TBred B).
It'll probably be good to 2GHz at stock, 2.2GHz or so if you nudge the vcore
up a bit. However, there are two unusual things in these lines:
1) First line: You sure it's not AXDA2000D***K***V3C? An X indicates 1.25V
(as opposed to the standard 1.65 specified by the K).
2) Second line: You've got one of the fairly uncommon chips without a W at
the end :)

Also, it's a week 42 2003 chip, so it is almost certainly locked. This means
that you cannot change the multiplier through any of the "normal" means
(bridge modifications, painting pins, etc). What you'll have to do is
mobilise the chip (fill in the 3rd L5), enable PowerNow multipliers above
11x (fill in the 2nd L5), then change the multiplier in your OS of choice
using one of the many tools out there (CPUMSR, CrystalCPUID, etc etc).
You'll also have to make sure that your BIOS won't kick the CPU up to the
maximum PowerNow multiplier. I can easily check that, but I can't do it
until my ISP gets its DNS issues sorted out (see my rant below). If you
don't want to do this, then you're stuck at the default multiplier, so
you're not going to get the chip much further than you already have.

Which brings me to rant a little about my ISP (you can stop reading now :) )
.... Xtra/Telecom has a great little page where they can show you if there's
any problems at the moment. This is all great, as long as they would
actually USE the thing. I can recall at least 10 times where I've had an
issue with my connection, checked the page and seen "no issues", called them
up and got someone who was adament there was no issues, and then over the
phone step them through exactly how to reproduce the problem. And I'm not
talking "little" problems either. I'm talking things like their DNS server
(which seems terribly flaky) returning completely wrong or corrupted data on
about 50% of the queries. Heck, one time they lost a decent chunk (can't
remember the exact size and can't google it at the moment) of their network
because several switches fell over, and the first many people heard of any
sort of aknowledgement of a problem was in an article in the newspaper the
next day.

After I demonstrate it, they say something along the lines of "Oh dear,
we'll look into it right away". Two hours later, the problem still won't be
fixed, and there will still be no message saying that there's a network
problem. Ah well, I guess that's what you get when you've got a monopolistic
telco that doesn't give a damn about it's customers because they've got
nowhere else to go :|

[...]

--
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www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more :)
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You're right, i read the cpu info wrong. It's 1.65v.

As for PowerNow, I don't think my system supports it. I'm not entirely sure
though. How do I verify this? If I don't have PowerNow, then I'm stuck
with what I have?

By the way here is info from crystalCPUID:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
CrystalCPUID 2.0.11.20 (C) 2002-2003 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World [http://crystalmark.info/]
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

OS : Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2
Date : 2004/09/23 16:10:06

CPU Name : AMD Athlon XP (Thoroughbred)
Vendor String : AuthenticAMD
Name String : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
Process Rule : 0.13 um
Platform : Socket A
CPU Type : Original OEM processor
Number(Logical) : 1
Family : 6
Generation : 7
Model : 8
Stepping : 0
Feature : MMX SSE MMX+ 3DNow! 3DNow!+

Current Original
Clock : 1862.47 MHz 1666.67 MHz
System Clock : 149.00 MHz 133.33 MHz
System Bus : 298.00 MHz 266.67 MHz
Multiplier : 12.50 12.50
Data Rate : DDR
Over Clock : 11.75 %

L1 I-Cache : 64 KB
L1 D-Cache : 64 KB
L2 Cache : 256 KB [Full:1862.47 MHz]

CPUID : EAX EBX ECX EDX
----------------------------------------------
00000000 : 00000001 68747541 444D4163 69746E65
00000001 : 00000680 00000000 00000000 0383F9FF
80000000 : 80000008 68747541 444D4163 69746E65
80000001 : 00000780 00000000 00000000 C1C3F9FF
80000002 : 20444D41 6C687441 74286E6F 5820296D
80000003 : 30322050 002B3030 00000000 00000000
80000004 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
80000005 : 0408FF08 FF20FF10 40020140 40020140
80000006 : 00000000 41004100 01008140 00000000
80000007 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000001
80000008 : 00002022 00000000 00000000 00000000

MSR : EAX1 EDX1 EAX2 EDX2
: 03031008 00000000 00000000 00000000
QPF : 3.579545 MHz

Thanks

Btw, maybe you should change your ISP!

"Michael Brown" <see@signature.below> wrote in message
news:vBt4d.5620$JQ4.490342@news.xtra.co.nz...
> tomW wrote:
>> Thanks for the response. I'm assuming I need to do something like
>> this?
>> http://www.upgrade123.com/html/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=30
>> (you need to highlight the text; select all)
>>
>> This looks challenging, but I'll give it a go if it means I can get
>> higher gHz.
>
> It's probably going to be a fair bit easier that what that page says (see
> below).
>
>> By the way, this is the info on the cpu:
>> AXDA2000DXV3C 4157203972343
>> KIUHB0342MPM
>> 1999 AMD
>
> OK, so it loks pretty much just like a stock Athlon XP 2000+ (TBred B).
> It'll probably be good to 2GHz at stock, 2.2GHz or so if you nudge the
> vcore
> up a bit. However, there are two unusual things in these lines:
> 1) First line: You sure it's not AXDA2000D***K***V3C? An X indicates 1.25V
> (as opposed to the standard 1.65 specified by the K).
> 2) Second line: You've got one of the fairly uncommon chips without a W at
> the end :)
>
> Also, it's a week 42 2003 chip, so it is almost certainly locked. This
> means
> that you cannot change the multiplier through any of the "normal" means
> (bridge modifications, painting pins, etc). What you'll have to do is
> mobilise the chip (fill in the 3rd L5), enable PowerNow multipliers above
> 11x (fill in the 2nd L5), then change the multiplier in your OS of choice
> using one of the many tools out there (CPUMSR, CrystalCPUID, etc etc).
> You'll also have to make sure that your BIOS won't kick the CPU up to the
> maximum PowerNow multiplier. I can easily check that, but I can't do it
> until my ISP gets its DNS issues sorted out (see my rant below). If you
> don't want to do this, then you're stuck at the default multiplier, so
> you're not going to get the chip much further than you already have.
>
> Which brings me to rant a little about my ISP (you can stop reading now
> :) )
> ... Xtra/Telecom has a great little page where they can show you if
> there's
> any problems at the moment. This is all great, as long as they would
> actually USE the thing. I can recall at least 10 times where I've had an
> issue with my connection, checked the page and seen "no issues", called
> them
> up and got someone who was adament there was no issues, and then over the
> phone step them through exactly how to reproduce the problem. And I'm not
> talking "little" problems either. I'm talking things like their DNS server
> (which seems terribly flaky) returning completely wrong or corrupted data
> on
> about 50% of the queries. Heck, one time they lost a decent chunk (can't
> remember the exact size and can't google it at the moment) of their
> network
> because several switches fell over, and the first many people heard of any
> sort of aknowledgement of a problem was in an article in the newspaper the
> next day.
>
> After I demonstrate it, they say something along the lines of "Oh dear,
> we'll look into it right away". Two hours later, the problem still won't
> be
> fixed, and there will still be no message saying that there's a network
> problem. Ah well, I guess that's what you get when you've got a
> monopolistic
> telco that doesn't give a damn about it's customers because they've got
> nowhere else to go :|
>
> [...]
>
> --
> Michael Brown
> www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more :)
> Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open
>
>
 
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:12:10 -0700, tomW wrote:

> Family : 6
> Model : 8
> Stepping : 0
>
> Current Original
> Clock : 1862.47 MHz 1666.67 MHz

It's a Tbred A core. IOW's it's very close to being maxed out as far as
the speed it will run so forget trying for more speed. If it were a B core
(681) then you could get more out of it if you could change the mutliplier
or raise the FSB.

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm
 
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tomW wrote:
> You're right, i read the cpu info wrong. It's 1.65v.
>
> As for PowerNow, I don't think my system supports it. I'm not
> entirely sure though. How do I verify this?

The l7vmm3 is based on the via KT266 chipset, which supports PowerNow. I've
had a bit of a look at the BIOS, and it looks as though it will *probably*
default to the maximum software FID on boot. This is not a Good Thing. I
know where/what needs to be patched, but I've never tried messing around
with an AMI BIOS before, so I'm not sure where all the checksums and stuff
are. If your board doesn't have a soldered-on and you get a BIOS saviour
I'll be happy to cook you up a patched BIOS that won't set it to the maximum
on boot.

> If I don't have
> PowerNow, then I'm stuck with what I have?

Yes.

[...]

> Btw, maybe you should change your ISP!

I would if there was any other option. The trouble is that the telco owns
the entire infrastructure from top to bottom: it owns the lines, the
national IP network, the international links, etc etc. So "competing" ISPs
are pretty much just big customers of Xtra, so are hit by the same problems.
Not to mention that if there's any serious competition to Xtra, Telecom
changes their charging scheme to get rid of it. Think Microsoft monopolistic
styles, but 10x worse because the government watchdog that's meant to be
keeping Telecom somewhat constrained is completely under Telecom's little
finger.

In my particular case, I have ADSL, where there is absolutely no
competition. "Competing" providers are just resellers of Xtra's ADSL plans,
and due to careful planning of the charging scheme, most offer worse service
than Telecom. Your DSL charges are made up of two parts, one to Telecom for
the DSL line and one to your ISP. The ISP charge is $NZ10 or less, and the
DSL line charge is $NZ40 or more. Also, the lines are sold with bandwidth
packages (eg 500mb + x cents per meg above that) so ISPs can't do things
like offer flat rate packages or ISP-local download servers. For the $10
that the ISP gets, it has to buy all its international/national bandwidth
(from Telecom, of course) as well as providing tech support and all that.

Oh, did I mention that they charge like wounded bulls too?
"Full speed" (2mbit/sec to 6mbit/sec downstream, 600kbit/sec upstream):
[] 500MB/month : $60/month + 20cents/meg over cap
[] 1GB/month : $80/month + 20cents/meg over cap
[] 1.2GB/month : $138/month + 17cents/meg over cap
[] 1.8GB/month : $194/month + 16cents/meg over cap
[] 3GB/month : $310/month + 14cents/meg over cap
[] higher caps but I think you get the idea ...
256kb/sec downstream, 128kb/sec upstream:
[] 1GB/month : $50/month + 5cents/meg over cap
[] 3GB/month : $60/month + 5cents/meg over cap
[] 10GB/month : $80/month + downgraded to 64kbit/sec after 10GB
128kb/sec downstream, 128kb/sec upstream:
[] 5GB/month : $65/month + 10cents/meg over cap, national data free

Wages in New Zealand are approximately the same as US ones, in the sense
that a $NZ30K/yr job in New Zealand is a $US30K/yr in the US.

But this is really getting off-topic now so I'll stop ranting :)

[...]

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What happens if I just set the L3 bridges for 15X multiplier? Will this
have no effect at all? Is there a chance that if I do this my computer
won't start?

"Michael Brown" <see@signature.below> wrote in message
news:b0R4d.6056$JQ4.505681@news.xtra.co.nz...
> tomW wrote:
>> You're right, i read the cpu info wrong. It's 1.65v.
>>
>> As for PowerNow, I don't think my system supports it. I'm not
>> entirely sure though. How do I verify this?
>
> The l7vmm3 is based on the via KT266 chipset, which supports PowerNow.
> I've
> had a bit of a look at the BIOS, and it looks as though it will *probably*
> default to the maximum software FID on boot. This is not a Good Thing. I
> know where/what needs to be patched, but I've never tried messing around
> with an AMI BIOS before, so I'm not sure where all the checksums and stuff
> are. If your board doesn't have a soldered-on and you get a BIOS saviour
> I'll be happy to cook you up a patched BIOS that won't set it to the
> maximum
> on boot.
>
>> If I don't have
>> PowerNow, then I'm stuck with what I have?
>
> Yes.
>
> [...]
>
 
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tomW wrote:
> What happens if I just set the L3 bridges for 15X multiplier? Will
> this have no effect at all?

Correct. From another post I did ...

Michael Brown wrote:
> There's three states an Athlon can be in
> 1) Unlocked. You can change the multiplier using pin painting, etc to
> whatever you want.
> 2) Locked by AMD severing the L1 bridges. Multiplier adjustments
> through pin painting, BIOS settings, etc will have no effect. You
> have to rejoin the L1 bridges, which changes the CPU into state 1
> (ie: full multiplier control).
> 3) Locked by AMD storing the
> multiplier inside the die. Multiplier adjustments through pin
> painting, BIOS settings, etc will have no effect. There is nothing
> you can do to this CPU to enable pin-painting/BIOS multiplier changes.

You CPU is almost certainly case #3, so modifications of the startup
multiplier (L3 bridges, pin painting, BIOS settings, etc) will not have any
effect.

tomW wrote:
> Is there a chance that if I do this my
> computer won't start?

If you do it correctly, no. If you muck up the cutting, yes. :)

[...]

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I just realized my cpu is a 5 bit athlon. Does this make any difference?
"tomW" <tom24_ca@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e614d.11067$bL1.650457@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Hello. I have an ecs l7vmm3 which is supposed to be able to run at 2.5
> gHz. It uses an overclocked athlon 2200 cpu. I am able to get a top fsb
> of 149 mhz, but system info tells me it's running at 1.86 gHz. I
> should be able to get it up to 2.5 gHz. Anyone know how to do this? I'm
> a novice at this, and would appreciate the help.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>
>
 
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