Discussion Overclocking with XMP; Upgrade decision making & more.................

[NanoSuit3]

Okay so...................I'm usually the one doing the problem solving's on this site but uhhhm...............I think it's time you guys & guyls help ME out now.

So, I have 2 Posts that're tagged as both a Discussions & Questions as it's a lot of things I wanna say then ask so..............my first post is:

I have a Custom Built PC that I built myself from hard scratch and the Specs are:
CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K
Mobo: Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z690 HERO
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 128GB (4 x 32 GB) DDR5-5200 CL40 Memory
GPU: Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB Edition
Storages: 2 x Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM HDD & Samsung 980 Pro 2GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.1 X4 NVME SSD Boot Drive
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G+ 1300 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular Power Supply
OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Custom 64-bit Edition
So.................my concern is . . . I really know my way around Overclocking systems & made them super stable for many many years to come.................but for some reason............whenever I enable XMP on my system with AI Optimized Settings and everything perfectly balanced............but when I save the settings and restart..........my system either hangs with Q-Code Error 31 or 55 or starts in Advanced Safe BIOS Mode. Now, I know that this can't be right as I've read the manual and those Q-Codes indicate that the RAM is either not installed or it's bugged out.............but when I do an Auto AI Optimized OC Profile...............it downclocks it to 4000Mt and runs fine.................so............could anyone kinda explain this to me in a way that I could be able to like . . . get XMP Enabled & have me RAM run at pure 5200Mt without hanging upon turning it on???

& My second post is: As you can see from the Specs I posted here I basically have a 12th Gen CPU paired with a High End 20 Series GPU which I feel like would cause bottlenecking as I've seen actually in gameplays . . . & the 40 Series GPUs are out rn and *kinda* steadily selling in a marginal matter what with the reviews say Nvidia screwed up a bit.................but I heard rumors of some new Super, Ti & Super Ti 40 Series card are coming out in near Q3-Q4 & I've seen a read about all the cards and everyones saying that it's now safe to upgrade from a 10-20 series to these cards but with that said...........is it REALLY safe/worth enough to upgrade to a 40 Series GPU..............or wait for MSRP ratings to drop for better pricings................or wait for the Super/Ti/Super Ti cards to be released to the general public??.........................cuz I'm eager to know now after about 3+ years of debating......................

 

[Eximo]

Generally not that easy to get 4 memory sticks to run at higher speeds with DDR5. 5200 isn't that fast, but could be as simple as that. 12th gen chips aren't super well known for dealing with high speed DDR5, it got better with 13th and 14th gen. Certainly better than AMDs first attempt, but they have since fixed it with AGESA updates.

You can try a manual memory overclock or increase the DRAM voltage to see if it helps any.


There are certainly games/settings/resolutions that can max out a 2080Ti, so an upgrade there will gain you maximum graphics quality or higher resolutions.

4080 Super is expected, but pricing is unknown. I believe a 4070Ti Super is also rumored. Depending on how the pricing is done, this can be a good thing or a bad thing. Not going to displace the RTX4090 it seems.

Given that the RTX 4070 is roughly equivalent to an RTX3080 you could consider it if you really want to play with DLSS and RT features. If you are just after rasterization, the 2080Ti is probably okay.

Going to be a while for Nvidia 50 series or AMD 8000 series, and there is also Intel Battlemage on the horizon. Though based on the expected hardware Intel is likely to have their top card fall around 4070 territory, which means the 5070 is likely to wipe the floor with it. AMD could manage a lot, but they haven't been trying for ultra high end lately. I suspect 8000 series is going to be mostly a cost optimized 7000 series. They are going to reserve their big silicon for the AI segment.

 

[Darkbreeze]

What is the EXACT model of your memory kit? Did ALL four DIMMs come together in one kit or is this memory configuration made up of multiple kits, even if they are the same model?

What is the currently installed motherboard BIOS version?

Having been here for almost six years and "doing problem solving's on this site" you should already know that that is going to be important and that we're going to ask for both those things.

 

[NanoSuit3]

What is the EXACT model of your memory kit? Did ALL four DIMMs come together in one kit or is this memory configuration made up of multiple kits, even if they are the same model?

What is the currently installed motherboard BIOS version?

Having been here for almost six years and "doing problem solving's on this site" you should already know that that is going to be important and that we're going to ask for both those things.

BIOS Version is Up-to-Date at 2802 and it's a 4 x 32 Kit . . . can't say much more on that . . .

 

[NanoSuit3]

Generally not that easy to get 4 memory sticks to run at higher speeds with DDR5. 5200 isn't that fast, but could be as simple as that. 12th gen chips aren't super well known for dealing with high speed DDR5, it got better with 13th and 14th gen. Certainly better than AMDs first attempt, but they have since fixed it with AGESA updates.

You can try a manual memory overclock or increase the DRAM voltage to see if it helps any.


There are certainly games/settings/resolutions that can max out a 2080Ti, so an upgrade there will gain you maximum graphics quality or higher resolutions.

4080 Super is expected, but pricing is unknown. I believe a 4070Ti Super is also rumored. Depending on how the pricing is done, this can be a good thing or a bad thing. Not going to displace the RTX4090 it seems.

Given that the RTX 4070 is roughly equivalent to an RTX3080 you could consider it if you really want to play with DLSS and RT features. If you are just after rasterization, the 2080Ti is probably okay.

Going to be a while for Nvidia 50 series or AMD 8000 series, and there is also Intel Battlemage on the horizon. Though based on the expected hardware Intel is likely to have their top card fall around 4070 territory, which means the 5070 is likely to wipe the floor with it. AMD could manage a lot, but they haven't been trying for ultra high end lately. I suspect 8000 series is going to be mostly a cost optimized 7000 series. They are going to reserve their big silicon for the AI segment.

I did manual OCing for a few days on XMP Profile and still nothing too...Even set incremental values such as 4600Mt and then 4200Mt ; still nothing. At least the 12900K gets a nice boost at 5.7Ghz without E-Cores yet a decent 5.4 with them on. I LOVE RTX/DLSS Gaming as I call myself a "Realist" or just can't stand realism in games particularly Cyberpunk or Hogwarts Legacy.......I've also heard a lot that the best outcome was waiting out Black Friday for sales on 4070s-4080s as I cannot with the 4090s' Rumors of them practically exploding from their connectors unless this upcoming "4090 D" Nvidia announced earlier yesterday will resolve that issue then...........maybe............I *was* offered by my partnering sponsor ROG the 4060 Ti OC 16Gb Edition but Idk if I should take it for the upgrade as a freebie..................whatcha ya'll think?

 

[helper800]

I did manual OCing for a few days on XMP Profile and still nothing too...Even set incremental values such as 4600Mt and then 4200Mt ; still nothing. At least the 12900K gets a nice boost at 5.7Ghz without E-Cores yet a decent 5.4 with them on. I LOVE RTX/DLSS Gaming as I call myself a "Realist" or just can't stand realism in games particularly Cyberpunk or Hogwarts Legacy.......I've also heard a lot that the best outcome was waiting out Black Friday for sales on 4070s-4080s as I cannot with the 4090s' Rumors of them practically exploding from their connectors unless this upcoming "4090 D" Nvidia announced earlier yesterday will resolve that issue then...........maybe............I *was* offered by my partnering sponsor ROG the 4060 Ti OC 16Gb Edition but Idk if I should take it for the upgrade as a freebie..................whatcha ya'll think?

A 4060 ti is either not enough of or not even an upgrade to a 2080 ti, so unless you want it as a backup card or something else I would say no. Ask if they can get you a 4070 ti? Personally since I have a decent amount of patience, I would wait for either the 4080S / 4070S, or just 5000 series graphics cards.

 

[NanoSuit3]

A 4060 ti is either not enough of or not even an upgrade to a 2080 ti, so unless you want it as a backup card or something else I would say no. Ask if they can get you a 4070 ti? Personally since I have a decent amount of patience, I would wait for either the 4080S / 4070S, or just 5000 series graphics cards.

Bet . . . Sold . . . & . . . Done!!!

 

[Darkbreeze]

Waiting, is for fools. Or for frugals. I'm both. So................

 

[NanoSuit3]

Waiting, is for fools. Or for frugals. I'm both. So................

I kinda waited long enough as I've had an Intel i9-9900KS OCed at 5.5Ghz with InTeraCoding, 64Gbs of Corsair Vengeance RGB at 3200Mhz with XMP, an RTX 2080 Ti ROG Strix OC Edition & an ROG Maximus XI Hero (Wifi) for about 3-4 years so...................I think that seems like a pretty good waiting period for me don't you think so.................As it's what the Specs say in my post..............however I received 2 40 Series cards from ASUS. Their the ASUS Dual OC 4070 and an ROG Strix 4060 Ti OC 16GB Edition...................Now I'm kinda frustrated as idk if I should keep using my 2080 Ti with my system causing bottleneck galore or use that 4060 Ti even though the 4070 is a better go but..............I like RGB in my system and they should sent at least an RTX 4070 Ti or something equal to my previous GPU but...............that's partnering sponsors for you..............hit & misses sometimes.....................any ideas?

 

[helper800]

I kinda waited long enough as I've had an Intel i9-9900KS OCed at 5.5Ghz with InTeraCoding, 64Gbs of Corsair Vengeance RGB at 3200Mhz with XMP, an RTX 2080 Ti ROG Strix OC Edition & an ROG Maximus XI Hero (Wifi) for about 3-4 years so...................I think that seems like a pretty good waiting period for me don't you think so.................As it's what the Specs say in my post..............however I received 2 40 Series cards from ASUS. Their the ASUS Dual OC 4070 and an ROG Strix 4060 Ti OC 16GB Edition...................Now I'm kinda frustrated as idk if I should keep using my 2080 Ti with my system causing bottleneck galore or use that 4060 Ti even though the 4070 is a better go but..............I like RGB in my system and they should sent at least an RTX 4070 Ti or something equal to my previous GPU but...............that's partnering sponsors for you..............hit & misses sometimes.....................any ideas?

If you have to have RGB in your Graphics card then that would limit you to the 4060 ti, which as was said before, is not an upgrade, but a downgrade. The 4070 I believe is at least a bit faster than the 2080 ti by about 10-15%. The choice is yours at the end of the day. The bottlenecking you are referring to is debatable. the 9900k is old but hardly irrelevant. the 2080 ti still gives very good performance as well. May I ask what specific games you play that you feel you need better performance in and what your monitor resolution and refresh rate is?

 

[NanoSuit3]

If you have to have RGB in your Graphics card then that would limit you to the 4060 ti, which as was said before, is not an upgrade, but a downgrade. The 4070 I believe is at least a bit faster than the 2080 ti by about 10-15%. The choice is yours at the end of the day. The bottlenecking you are referring to is debatable. the 9900k is old but hardly irrelevant. the 2080 ti still gives very good performance as well. May I ask what specific games you play that you feel you need better performance in and what your monitor resolution and refresh rate is?

Okay so let me just say that My post shows my current specs rn................& I game at 2K 240Hz if I'm able to with G-Sync as well. My thoughts are to wait a little longer for the Super Series for the 4080 Super if it's as good as what everyone else is saying for Nvidia sake of screwing up their P2P Ratios but their practically not consider and Gaming Company anymore more an AI Company due to this new stuff but what do I know been researching this stuff since 16.................anyways, it's as said for Specs now: 12900K, 2080 Ti and 128Gb of RAM..................but may either be the 4060 Ti 16Gb or 4070................. or maybe both................Oh and also I specifically run mainly FPS games........................

 

[helper800]

Okay so let me just say that My post shows my current specs rn................& I game at 2K 240Hz if I'm able to with G-Sync as well. My thoughts are to wait a little longer for the Super Series for the 4080 Super if it's as good as what everyone else is saying for Nvidia sake of screwing up their P2P Ratios but their practically not consider and Gaming Company anymore more an AI Company due to this new stuff but what do I know been researching this stuff since 16.................anyways, it's as said for Specs now: 12900K, 2080 Ti and 128Gb of RAM..................but may either be the 4060 Ti 16Gb or 4070................. or maybe both................

What games do you play? The 4070 will give you more performance than the 2080 ti. The 4080S will give you a much bigger jump in performance than the 4070. The 9900k at 5.5ghz all core is probably good enough to get you 200+ fps at 1440p in nearly every game with exception of some games like Microsoft Flight Simulator and a few others. This is because even a 4090 cannot get you 240 fps at 1440p in that game with the highest settings with even the fastest CPU.

 

[NanoSuit3]

I have a 12900K at 5.4Ghz rn and 128Gbs of RAM now helper.........................so...........................Should I keep my 2080Ti in my system or use these GPUs ROG sent me whichever one or something...........also I basically run First Person Shooters all the time and I wanna get the best visuals off of them as much as possible too...............as well as hardcore RTX games as well.............I love Realism......................

 

[helper800]

I have a 12900K at 5.4Ghz rn and 128Gbs of RAM now helper.........................so...........................Should I keep my 2080Ti in my system or use these GPUs ROG sent me whichever one or something...........also I basically run First Person Shooters all the time and I wanna get the best visuals off of them as much as possible too...............as well as hardcore RTX games as well.............I love Realism......................

So I would say that you will get more performance out of the 4070 than the 2080 ti, but even a 4070 will not be enough for cyberpunk maxed out at 1440p. You will want a 4080S-4090 for that. This benchmark should put into perspective the requirements of running such games at these types of settings.

 

[NanoSuit3]

Fair enough but I ran Cyberpunk at the Max Settings with DLSS Ultra Performance and it ran like a Beut..............so................that's been taken care of as well as thinking about swapping out my 2080 Ti for the 4070 as well as swapping out my 2070 in my Streaming PC for the 4060 Ti as I wanna start using a 40 Series for streaming now and I think it's time........................

 

[helper800]

Fair enough but I ran Cyberpunk at the Max Settings with DLSS Ultra Performance and it ran like a Beut..............so................that's been taken care of as well as thinking about swapping out my 2080 Ti for the 4070 as well as swapping out my 2070 in my Streaming PC for the 4060 Ti as I wanna start using a 40 Series for streaming now and I think it's time........................

You would get more performance by making the witch from the 2080 ti => 4070 and the 2070 => 4060 ti, but a 2080 ti is better than a 4060 ti as far as performance. Unless there is some feature you want that the 4000 series cards have but the 2080 ti does not have it would make more sense to change the 2070 in the streaming computer to the 2080 ti over the 4060 ti. The 2070 => 4060 ti makes the most sense.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Actually, the 2080 ti does not have better 3d performance, hence, should not have better "gaming" performance, than the 4060 ti, based on the Passmark data.

GeForce RTX 4060 Ti vs GeForce RTX 2080 Ti [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

Although, admittedly, it probably matter exactly what game specifically is being compared, but at least some of them are unlikely to go in favor of the 2080 ti.

 

[helper800]

Actually, the 2080 ti does not have better 3d performance, hence, should not have better "gaming" performance, than the 4060 ti, based on the Passmark data.

GeForce RTX 4060 Ti vs GeForce RTX 2080 Ti [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

5% faster is not really faster in the sense of doing an upgrade, because it would be a complete side grade. I guess it would make sense to swap the 2070 to the 4060 ti then for the streaming PC, so that's a good call.

 

[NanoSuit3]

Forgot to mention I have a streaming PC with my old specs of either the 9900KS, 64Gbs and now 4060 Ti soon after I get back...............SO that may actually clear things up..................I'll keep using the 4070 for now until I decide whether I want to wait for the ROG 4080 Super to be out or in the upcoming start of the year or see if I can get a SUPER GOOD deal on the 4080s rn or a SUPER LUCKY DEAL on an ROG 4090 OC.................................

 

[Darkbreeze]

5% faster is not really faster in the sense of doing an upgrade, because it would be a complete side grade. I guess it would make sense to swap the 2070 to the 4060 ti then for the streaming PC, so that's a good call.

Well, obviously, if they have the card already then of course it's really not a good option. I was more referring to the blanket statement that a 2080 ti is better than a 4060 ti in performance, because honestly, it isn't. But I fully 300% agree that the difference in performance, if any and not just "about equal" which is what they literally are, would never justify buying a 4060 ti UNLESS a person was running out of VRAM in which case a 16GB 4060 ti might alleviate that issue compared to the 11GB on the 2080 ti or, as in this case, there might be a good use case for one of them in another system.

 

[NanoSuit3]

Now I wanna clarify here as I wanna feel comfortable with myself and my not-so poor choice arrangements. So..........should I use any of the cards that were given to me by ASUS or practically continue to use the 2080 Ti even if it's a very good high-end flagship 20 Series GPU until better deals for these 40 series cards happen/the Super Series come out or use them as they have features that I'd like to use for specific reason out of the normed question......................Just wanna make sure of things...................

 

[helper800]

Now I wanna clarify here as I wanna feel comfortable with myself and my not-so poor choice arrangements. So..........should I use any of the cards that were given to me by ASUS or practically continue to use the 2080 Ti even if it's a very good high-end flagship 20 Series GPU until better deals for these 40 series cards happen/the Super Series come out or use them as they have features that I'd like to use for specific reason out of the normed question......................Just wanna make sure of things...................

If you already have the ASUS cards on hand you would benefit in performance with changing the 2080 ti to the 4070. You can also swap the 2070 in the streaming PC to the 4060 ti for a bump in performance as well.

 

[NanoSuit3]

Alright thx to almost everyone here I feel kinda better knowing that I my partnering sponsor didn't get me better upgrades that I could at least make use of these "baselines" whereas I would've preferred the well known 4070 Ti over both these but sometimes: You just can't have everything in life.............unless you've got money...........LOL

 

[NanoSuit3]

Alright thx to almost everyone here I feel kinda better knowing that I my partnering sponsor didn't get me better upgrades that I could at least make use of these "baselines" whereas I would've preferred the well known 4070 Ti over both these but sometimes: You just can't have everything in life.............unless you've got money...........LOL

Aight so this is an update from the last time I had posted in this Thread as I feel like it's time for you guys to help ME out agane when it comes to upgrading periphs. So like I said I have an Asus Dual OC RTX 4070 in my system but previously have an 4060 Ti OC ROG Strix and before that an ROG Gaming OC 2080 Ti . . . . . now with this said . . . the Super Series are out now & all that's left is the Benchmarking and Review Results for the RTX 4080 Super Fans to make their claims. With that ALSO said . . . I was wondering if with these newer SUPER Duper Series Cards out if I should consider upgrading to one of them . . . now bare with me in mind . . . I never intending for my sponsors to give me to very indistinct cards of the same Brandish Devos but what I would want for my Legit Final GPU would be a card that has just 16GBs of VRAM & a 256 Bit+ Memory Bus Width for my next one which seems a lot like the 4070 Ti Super which I'm VERY eager to get as it's kind the GPU I wanted but . . . I would REALLY . . . REALLY like to hear from you community devils on the consumer POV of if I should continue using an RTX 4070 12GB or consider what I just said . . . . . please . . . help now again . . .

 

[helper800]

There is very little reason to go out of your way to get another new card if the current one is performing well enough.