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>BTW, have you read any of the postings on this? I've posted links several
>times in this newsgroup to the ubisoft forum and the developer's forum. The
>manufacturer's rep that is contacting the software companies isn't even a
>lawyer.
Jay, I've read about this ad naseum on ubi, simhq, frugals and at the
idga forum.
My post was to correct those who thought blaming "American lawyers"
was a blanket statement blaming Americans. I didn't say I blamed
anyone, just trying to fill in some facts for those who didn't appear
to be aquainted with the issue or what the original poster was hinting
at.
>And it's not a royalty (which involves a percentage on sales) it's a
>licensing fee for the use of the name and image and other companies have
>been paying it, including Microsoft paying Cessna.
You're right; it's licensing fees, not royalties. Some licensing fees
are based on projected sales, though (I think I read somewhere 1.5% of
ps). But there's a big difference between paying licensing fees to
represent aircraft built over fifty years ago and paid for by public
taxes and a Cessna.
Regardless, Northrop apparently got Ubi to pay. Ubi then apparently
deducted some or all of these fees from the developer. Not
surprisingly, Maddox , quoted at simhq forums back in Dec. said, "As
it is known already for public by the leaked somewhere info, currently
we will not develop or accept from third party any planes owned by
Nothrop (Grumman, Vough, Republic). Even the one that we did already
for free add-on."
I suppose they may appear in a later add-on, but I can't imagine that
it will be free.
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:45:54 -0600, "Jay Williams" <voodoo141@cox.net>
wrote:
>And that would be the American lawyers fault and not the companies, right?
>
>BTW, have you read any of the postings on this? I've posted links several
>times in this newsgroup to the ubisoft forum and the developer's forum. The
>manufacturer's rep that is contacting the software companies isn't even a
>lawyer.
>
>It would also be much more helpful to know how much they are asking in
>licensing fees. In order to protect their rights, they need to charge
>something, it doesn't have to be much. I'm not going to bother explaining
>it all again here, as I've already done so on at least two occassions.
>
>I will admit, I've wound up outside the local Lockheed and Northrup offices
>by coincidence (visiting other people with offices in the same building) and
>have been tempted to poke my head in and tease them about their pestering
>what amounts to toy planes. But it's not their fault.
>
>Lastly, when did Oleg announce no US planes? Last I checked the forums (a
>while back, I'm rebuilding my living room and so don't have much time for
>the computer) he was silent on the issue.
>
>And it's not a royalty (which involves a percentage on sales) it's a
>licensing fee for the use of the name and image and other companies have
>been paying it, including Microsoft paying Cessna.
>
>"Dave" <ub@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:tdvtu05oc9r9pavnrf8qgl01h1a9ov50hq@4ax.com...
>> He didn't say Americans; he said American lawyers. He's referring to
>> the whole IP issue with American companies that manufactured U.S. WWII
>> aircraft and their claim that flight sims are illegally using their
>> intellectual property by making 3d replicas for sale in games. They
>> already had a go at modelling companies on the same issue. Now it's
>> the software industry's turn to be leaned on. So Oleg has said no new
>> American planes because he doesn't want to get into the whole issue of
>> paying royalties for 3D models of US planes.
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:58:50 +0000 (UTC), "Canuck"
>> <someone@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes blame the Americans they are at fault for everything. I tripped over
>>>a
>>>kerbstone and stubbed my toe today I am sure it was those devilish yanks
>>>to
>>>blame.
>>>"James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>>news:csmkg7$rb8$1@home.itg.ti.com...
>>>> "Arto Wikla" <wikla@wrl-55.cs.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
>>>> news:wikla.1106170929@wrl-55...
>>>>> In <WKidnU_LzN_sQXDcRVn-sQ@giganews.com> "Don Burnette"
>>>> <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Is out.
>>>>>
>>>>> >http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/home.php?skin=S1
>>>>>
>>>>> >Wonder what goodies Oleg might have added to this one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not much. Where are the promised new aeroplanes? In the pocket
>>>>> of the American lawyers? Shame!?
>>>>>
>>>>> Arto
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YES - BLAME THE AMERICANS FOR THE DISAPPERANCE OF THE PROMISED PLANES.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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