Pack Alpha/Jack of Both Sides et all Question

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when employing a retainer with these cards, at what level does the
retainer get played at? provided the acting vampire has superior [ANI].

if for some reason sebastion? (brujah, retainers cost one less
blood/pool)
plays pack alpha at [ani] is the cost still reduced by one?

can the sunset strip be tapped to reduce the cost when playing pack
alpha [ani]?
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shavo a écrit :
> when employing a retainer with these cards, at what level does the
> retainer get played at? provided the acting vampire has superior [ANI].
>
> if for some reason sebastion? (brujah, retainers cost one less
> blood/pool)
> plays pack alpha at [ani] is the cost still reduced by one?

yes, the cost is reduced !
Since card text of pack alpha says "Employ an animal retainer from your
hand before range is determinated. pay cost as normal" and Sebastien's
card text does not mention it has to be an action. (card text : "Allies
and retainers cost Sebastian 1 less blood or pool to employ or recruit")

it works perfectly.

> can the sunset strip be tapped to reduce the cost when playing pack
> alpha [ani]?
> -dB

It does not work.
From Sunset Strip card text : "Tap to reduce the cost to recruit a
mortal ally or mortal retainer by 1 blood or pool"... The problem is,
Pack alpha only allows you to recruit *Animal* retainers. And mortal &
animal retainers are not the same thing, sorry.

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shavo a écrit :
> when employing a retainer with these cards, at what level does the
> retainer get played at? provided the acting vampire has superior [ANI].

oops i skipped this question :
the retainer is recruited at the level you prefer. (i guess the superior
ANI level in most cases :) )
 
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On 24 Mar 2005 01:13:08 -0800, "shavo" <sound@w-link.net> scrawled:

>when employing a retainer with these cards, at what level does the
>retainer get played at? provided the acting vampire has superior [ANI].

either. the employing minion's controller's choice, declared when the
Pack Alpha is declared.

>if for some reason sebastion? (brujah, retainers cost one less
>blood/pool)
>plays pack alpha at [ani] is the cost still reduced by one?

That guy's a !Gangrel, but anyway.....

yes. his text uses employ or recruit. if it said 'recruit actions cost
him...' then pack alpha's recruitment cost would not be reduced, as
it's not an action.

>can the sunset strip be tapped to reduce the cost when playing pack
>alpha [ani]?

Not currently. In the current card set, there are no retainers who are
designated as both 'Mortal' and 'Animal' at the same time, which are
the requirements for the two cards, respectively. Note that these are
card designations, not 'intuitive aids', and that even though most
animals* will die of old age, they are not considered 'mortal' for the
card game.

*with the possible exception of giant squid! woobblah!

see card texts:

Pack Alpha
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Animalism
A vampire may play only one Pack Alpha each round.
[ani] Employ an animal retainer from your hand before range is
determined. Pay cost as normal.
[ANI] Burn an animal retainer employed by this vampire and put this
card on this vampire. The minion with this card gets +1 strength. A
minion may have only one Pack Alpha.


Sébastian Goulet [CE:V]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Gangrel antitribu
Group: 3
Capacity: 8
Discipline: cel pre pro DOM OBF
Sabbat: Allies and retainers cost Sébastian 1 less blood or pool to
employ or recruit. Once each action, he can burn 1 blood to get +1
bleed.


Sunset Strip, Hollywood [Anarchs:R]
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Master: unique location.
Tap to give all vampires +1 stealth on hunt actions until your next
untap phase. Tap to reduce the cost to recruit a mortal ally or mortal
retainer by 1 blood or pool (but never less than 0 blood or pool).

Jack of Both Sides [Gehenna:C]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
+2 stealth action. Requires a ready vampire.
Equip or employ an equipment or a retainer from your hand. The cost of
that card is reduced by 1 pool or by up to 2 blood.



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