Question PC Build for DCS world and VR and TrackIR for AMD or Intel.

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I'm looking for a PC build that is either AMD or Intel. I also am looking for this build to be future proof of no upgrades for years to come and able to handle DCS world and X plane 11 or other current or future simulator games. I have never played neither of the games and i am looking for my build to be VR and TrackIR capable so any VR setup be greatly appreciated. The resolution i am aiming for is either 1080p or 4K setup and i do want the best setup that win run DCS world flawlessly. Any help will be greatly appreciated and i really have no max budget as i would be buying each part separately.. If I had to choose a budget for what i'm looking for in my build would be $2K for either AMD or Intel 1080p or 4k setup.
 

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1080p:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($308.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($50.54 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.07 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($543.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1452.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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4K:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($213.48 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($50.54 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.07 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($1239.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1971.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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My 2 cents...
1080p:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($308.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($50.54 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.07 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($543.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1452.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-19 17:36 EST-0500


4K:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($213.48 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($50.54 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.07 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($1239.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1971.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-19 17:38 EST-0500
Thanks for the parts selection you have created. Any idea which would you go for and i do like the 4k setup any video graphic card to other then the one listed for the 4K?
 

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Any idea which would you go for and i do like the 4k setup any video graphic card to other then the one listed for the 4K?
1)The 1080p one is much more flexible; there are multiple combinations that would be playable. 4K pretty much demands expensive hardware - as far as the graphics card goes, at least.

2)The 2080 Super, but IMO, that's really better suited for 1440p or 1440p ultrawide.
Longevity was one of your stated objectives, and at 4K, there's really no better option over the 2080Ti right now.
 
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1)The 1080p one is much more flexible; there are multiple combinations that would be playable. 4K pretty much demands expensive hardware - as far as the graphics card goes, at least.

2)The 2080 Super, but IMO, that's really better suited for 1440p or 1440p ultrawide.
Longevity was one of your stated objectives, and at 4K, there's really no better option over the 2080Ti right now.
What monitors would you recommend for the 1080p or 4K setup. I was thinking on the curve monitors options..
 
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1)The 1080p one is much more flexible; there are multiple combinations that would be playable. 4K pretty much demands expensive hardware - as far as the graphics card goes, at least.

2)The 2080 Super, but IMO, that's really better suited for 1440p or 1440p ultrawide.
Longevity was one of your stated objectives, and at 4K, there's really no better option over the 2080Ti right now.
With the 1080p build would I be able to play triple A games like GTA 4 or 5 and Call of Duty games and should I expect any problems with the 1080p setup.
 
1080p and 4K are quite far apart in terms of how many pixels a graphics card needs to render. 4K (2160p) has double the pixels both vertically and horizontally, creating around four times as many pixels for the graphics card to draw compared to 1080p. As a result, you'll tend to get much lower frame rates at that resolution, and performance in more demanding games a few years down the line seems questionable, even on the highest-end graphics cards available today. Running games at a lower resolution upscaled to 4K is also an option though. You might lose some detail compared to native 4K, but Nvidia and AMD both offer some decent upscaling and sharpening options for their graphics cards these days.

Keep in mind that 1440p monitors are also an option. 1440p has around 78% more pixels than 1080p, so not quite double, but still less than half of 4K. In my opinion, it's probably a more reasonable resolution to target than 4K, and the somewhat better sharpness of 4K probably isn't going to be too noticeable compared to 1440p while gaming. Plus, both 1080p and 1440p gaming monitors are widely available with high-refresh rates in the 100+Hz range, while with 4K screens, only a handful of very expensive models offer that, while most others are stuck at 60Hz. So, it might be a better balance for you to look at a 1440p build.

As for VR, a lot depends on the resolution of the VR headset, as it can vary a fair amount depending on the model. Some, like a Valve Index or Samsung Odyssey+ offer close to double the resolution compared to other models like the original models of the Oculus Rift or HTC Vive. And since the resolution is getting spread across one's field of view, differences in resolution tend to be rather noticeable.
 
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1080p and 4K are quite far apart in terms of how many pixels a graphics card needs to render. 4K (2160p) has double the pixels both vertically and horizontally, creating around four times as many pixels for the graphics card to draw compared to 1080p. As a result, you'll tend to get much lower frame rates at that resolution, and performance in more demanding games a few years down the line seems questionable, even on the highest-end graphics cards available today. Running games at a lower resolution upscaled to 4K is also an option though. You might lose some detail compared to native 4K, but Nvidia and AMD both offer some decent upscaling and sharpening options for their graphics cards these days.

Keep in mind that 1440p monitors are also an option. 1440p has around 78% more pixels than 1080p, so not quite double, but still less than half of 4K. In my opinion, it's probably a more reasonable resolution to target than 4K, and the somewhat better sharpness of 4K probably isn't going to be too noticeable compared to 1440p while gaming. Plus, both 1080p and 1440p gaming monitors are widely available with high-refresh rates in the 100+Hz range, while with 4K screens, only a handful of very expensive models offer that, while most others are stuck at 60Hz. So, it might be a better balance for you to look at a 1440p build.

As for VR, a lot depends on the resolution of the VR headset, as it can vary a fair amount depending on the model. Some, like a Valve Index or Samsung Odyssey+ offer close to double the resolution compared to other models like the original models of the Oculus Rift or HTC Vive. And since the resolution is getting spread across one's field of view, differences in resolution tend to be rather noticeable.
The mid tower that was selected for the 4k build list can I use in the 1080p build. I'm leaning more towards the 1080p build list as it is in my budget price range and should suit me for years to come. I just want to be able to play DCS world and many other steam games a flawless rate with no lag experience which I'm sure I'll have. I'm still not sure what VR and Track it systems I should for DCS world and other simulator games that offer the playing chance. I definitely want a full experience when I get to play DCS world.
 

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What monitors would you recommend for the 1080p or 4K setup. I was thinking on the curve monitors options..
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-monitors,4533.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-4k-gaming-monitors-pc-144hz,6023.html

With the 1080p build would I be able to play triple A games like GTA 4 or 5 and Call of Duty games and should I expect any problems with the 1080p setup.
1)Yes.
2)No, unless you have bad luck.
 
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My 2 cents...
1080p:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($308.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($50.54 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.07 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($543.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1452.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-19 17:36 EST-0500


4K:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($213.48 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($50.54 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($59.07 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($1239.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1971.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-19 17:38 EST-0500
Would the case that you selected for the 4k build work with 1080p build.?
 
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I don't know if it or not myself. I've decided to go with the 4k build setup and now all i have to do is buy each part. What would be a good operating software key to buy and setup. I like windows myself just not sure which windows key to purchase and also i wanted to know what be a better ram set to buy as i want max my ram capacity.
 

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Windows Home on the USB drive.

also i wanted to know what be a better ram set to buy as i want max my ram capacity.
But then you're looking at 64-128GB of ram... no one needs that much to game on. Even 32GB is pushing it, except in very specific scenarios.
As for the kit, just refer to the motherboard's online QVL. It has kits that have been tested and certified to work.
 
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Windows Home on the USB drive.


But then you're looking at 64-128GB of ram... no one needs that much to game on. Even 32GB is pushing it, except in very specific scenarios.
As for the kit, just refer to the motherboard's online QVL. It has kits that have been tested and certified to work.
I'm just wondering what all my 4k could handle as i do want to get involved role playing for GTA 5 like other youtuber's do.
 

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4K is primarily a gpu workload.
As you go up in resolution and graphics settings, that's more work for the gpu, but less for the cpu. Vice versa, it's the opposite.

There's only like, what, 2 games that can use 32GB:
-Minecraft: Forcing memory usage by loading a crap ton of mods + shaders, but that's not really practical.
-I forget what the other title is - I don't think it's very popular either.
Everything else runs just fine on 16GB.
 
Everything else runs just fine on 16GB.
Of course, if one is "looking for this build to be future proof of no upgrades for years to come" I would want 32GB in there, since chances are that we will see more games benefit from having more than 16GB of RAM within the coming years.

Again though, it's questionable whether any graphics card on the market today will be able to adequately handle native 4K in some of the more demanding games coming out a few years down the line. 1440p seems like a more reasonable resolution to target at this time, and any graphics hardware should remain relevant a bit longer at that resolution compared to 4K. Plus, high refresh-rate screens are widely available at 1440p, whereas aside from a handful of extreme high-end models, 4K screens still only do 60Hz.
 

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Of course, if one is "looking for this build to be future proof of no upgrades for years to come" I would want 32GB in there, since chances are that we will see more games benefit from having more than 16GB of RAM within the coming years.
And no one knows how long that one's going to take... it's not like 16GB will suddenly become irrelevant when that does happen.
It took quite a while for 8-16GB; 16-32GB will be no different.
If one has extra funds available, and that's where they want to spend it...

Again though, it's questionable whether any graphics card on the market today will be able to adequately handle native 4K in some of the more demanding games coming out a few years down the line. 1440p seems like a more reasonable resolution to target at this time, and any graphics hardware should remain relevant a bit longer at that resolution compared to 4K. Plus, high refresh-rate screens are widely available at 1440p, whereas aside from a handful of extreme high-end models, 4K screens still only do 60Hz.
Tell the OP that.

1440p is plenty for me, and a good middle ground. I consider both 1080p 240 and 4K gimmicks.
 
For dcs, you'll want to do 32gb of ram, depending on which module. Some heavy dogfights can use a ton of ram. I've seen usage upwards of 12gb, in a smaller lobby. And that was with the included planes. Some modules use way more, the f18 for example.

Its also more core speed dependent vs thread count dependent. While I'm positive an AMD rig would handle it very well, if you look on the dcs forums, i7 or i9 is what you'll see recommended most.

I'd forget about 4k. Stick to 1440p. Unless you just have a ton of money for a monitor with a higher refresh rate, which you most certainly want for dcs.

Take the recommendation of the 4k build, get 32gb vs 16, and then get a solid 1440p panel. Of a nice 1440 ultrawide panel.
 
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For dcs, you'll want to do 32gb of ram, depending on which module. Some heavy dogfights can use a ton of ram. I've seen usage upwards of 12gb, in a smaller lobby. And that was with the included planes. Some modules use way more, the f18 for example.

Its also more core speed dependent vs thread count dependent. While I'm positive an AMD rig would handle it very well, if you look on the dcs forums, i7 or i9 is what you'll see recommended most.

I'd forget about 4k. Stick to 1440p. Unless you just have a ton of money for a monitor with a higher refresh rate, which you most certainly want for dcs.

Take the recommendation of the 4k build, get 32gb vs 16, and then get a solid 1440p panel. Of a nice 1440 ultrawide panel.
That's my only problem as to what monitor to choose. I definitely want a curve one to get full flight experience and awesome views. I know nothing about 1440p or what's the difference between 1440p and 4K. I just want a system that is in 4K and not have issues with current or future games to come. I'm glad i sign up for this website and getting all help needed never thought this be tough to figure out.
 

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I know nothing about 1440p or what's the difference between 1440p and 4K.
Not quite as visually appealing as 4K, but more than 1080p. Less pixels, and thus not as hard for the gpu to run.
1920x1080 = 2073600 pixels
2560x1440 = 3686400 pixels, 78% more pixels than 1080p
3440x1440 = 4953600 pixels, 34% more pixels than 1440p
3840x2160 = 8294400 pixels, 67% more pixels than 1440p ultrawide
The higher you go in resolution, the more gpu horsepower you will need for the same level of performance at a lower resolution.
If you care about high refresh gaming, even the mighty 2080Ti isn't capable of sustaining it across multiple titles until low settings... and some future games will be more demanding, so that gpu won't have much longevity at that resolution.
If you're fine with 4K 60 on high settings, then it's totally fine.
 

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