Question PC Build OS and PSU?

[Gamefreaknet]

List Below:
The PSU was admittedly £30 cheaper than the next listed 850w PSU which I get can mean that it could be a dodgy/bad quality part however if anyone knows more about it is it a bad PSU or is it fine?

Also regarding this build I know some sites will offer Windows keys for around £20 - £30 and in this TomsHardware Article it links Kinguin however are the sites that offer these Windows Keys (not OEM Disks I think) you can get Windows 11 Home or Pro both for around £30 however if I did buy a key from here what are the chances the key wouldn't be legit (but a fake)?

Also views on the build? Parts I could cut back on?

Component		Selection	Price
CPU		Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor	£261.59	Buy
CPU Cooler		MSI MAG CORELIQUID 240R V2 78.73 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	£89.00	Buy
Thermal Compound		Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1 g Thermal Paste	£6.89	Buy
Motherboard		Gigabyte B660 AORUS Master DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard	£190.83	Buy
Memory		Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	£103.99	Buy
Storage		ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 Lite 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	£156.29	Buy
Storage		Crucial P3 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	£36.99	Buy
Video Card		Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card	£413.47	Buy
Case		MSI MAG VAMPIRIC 100R ATX Mid Tower Case	£52.49	Buy
Power Supply		SeaSonic B12 BC 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£54.99	Buy
Operating System		Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit	£111.36	Buy
Monitor		Dell G2722HS 27.0" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Monitor	£169.95	Buy
Total:	£1647.84

 

[Darkbreeze]

The chances are EXTREMELY good that you will end up with a blacklisted key if you buy from ANY of the "gray" cheap keys sites. So, I wouldn't. However, IF you have ANY existing Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 license, you can simply upgrade ANY of them to Windows 11. So long as the machine that license is currently on is attached to YOU and will not continue to be in use on the existing machine.

As for the build. Jebus. No. I mean, it's not terrible at all, but I think there is a lot of tweaking that can be done to get you better performance OR better quality, at or around the same price.

What is the actual maximum budget you can realistically afford to throw at this build?

What is the main purpose of the build and if it is gaming, what is the target resolution and quality settings?

Are there any specific aesthetic considerations that you have your heart set on?

 

[USAFRet]

Total - £1647.84

A valid Windows 10/11 Home license is ~£110, per your link.
6% of your total system.

Would you skimp on the hardware like that?
A case for £5
RAM for £7
Your next £50 game for £4?

Of course not.

A Windows license is no different.

 

[Gamefreaknet]

The chances are EXTREMELY good that you will end up with a blacklisted key if you buy from ANY of the "gray" cheap keys sites. So, I wouldn't. However, IF you have ANY existing Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 license, you can simply upgrade ANY of them to Windows 11. So long as the machine that license is currently on is attached to YOU and will not continue to be in use on the existing machine.

As for the build. Jebus. No. I mean, it's not terrible at all, but I think there is a lot of tweaking that can be done to get you better performance OR better quality, at or around the same price.

What is the actual maximum budget you can realistically afford to throw at this build?

What is the main purpose of the build and if it is gaming, what is the target resolution and quality settings?

Are there any specific aesthetic considerations that you have your heart set on?

Mainly upgradability really. I intend to use it for games like BeamNG Drive, Forza 5, Call of Duty, etc... but generally so I know if I get a game it will be able to run it. I'm aiming to keep it at around £1500 or lower (if possible) however a bit over (like £1600) is where I'll make cutbacks to save a bit.
I intend to game at 1080p+ at High quality settings.
I would also like to keep the cooler as an ARGB cooler (preferably 240mm or larger) so I can keep the lighting similar to the cases lightning.
The motherboard has both 2.5GB ethernet and WiFi 6 wireless according to PCPart Picker which I would like to keep.

 

[Gamefreaknet]

Do note I have also considered the Arc A770 however as per a review of it from LinusTechTips I will probably wait until some of its issues have been fixed:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nI0AI8k8cU

 

[Bob.B]

List Below:
The PSU was admittedly £30 cheaper than the next listed 850w PSU which I get can mean that it could be a dodgy/bad quality part however if anyone knows more about it is it a bad PSU or is it fine?

Also regarding this build I know some sites will offer Windows keys for around £20 - £30 and in this TomsHardware Article it links Kinguin however are the sites that offer these Windows Keys (not OEM Disks I think) you can get Windows 11 Home or Pro both for around £30 however if I did buy a key from here what are the chances the key wouldn't be legit (but a fake)?

Also views on the build? Parts I could cut back on?

Component		Selection	Price
CPU		Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor	£261.59	Buy
CPU Cooler		MSI MAG CORELIQUID 240R V2 78.73 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	£89.00	Buy
Thermal Compound		Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1 g Thermal Paste	£6.89	Buy
Motherboard		Gigabyte B660 AORUS Master DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard	£190.83	Buy
Memory		Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	£103.99	Buy
Storage		ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 Lite 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	£156.29	Buy
Storage		Crucial P3 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	£36.99	Buy
Video Card		Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card	£413.47	Buy
Case		MSI MAG VAMPIRIC 100R ATX Mid Tower Case	£52.49	Buy
Power Supply		SeaSonic B12 BC 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£54.99	Buy
Operating System		Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit	£111.36	Buy
Monitor		Dell G2722HS 27.0" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Monitor	£169.95	Buy
Total:	£1647.84

Psu.

For the 3060 gpu it should be fine.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Eh. You're in good hands here.

 

[Gamefreaknet]

Psu.

For the 3060 gpu it should be fine.

If I were to upgrade to a 3070ti or 3080 10/12GB later would I also need to upgrade the PSU (I have checked a few posts and they did mention that a 12600K should be able to handle a 3080ti without a bottleneck)

 

[Why_Me]

@Gamefreaknet the B660 chipset is limited to 12 PCIe lanes meaning it will gimp a second M.2 PCIe SSD. If you want to run two of those drives then you want either an H670 board or a Z690 board. TBH a single 2TB SSD will work fine and if you feel the need to add an extra drive later on you can add a 2.5" SATA III SSD to your build. The cpu cooler down below comes with a small tube of thermal paste so you can scratch that off your list.

https://www.technextday.co.uk/product/gigabyte-b660-gaming-x-ddr4-intel-atx-motherboard/
Gigabyte B660 GAMING X DDR4 £138.08

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660-GAMING-X-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.technextday.co.uk/product/intel-core-i5-12400f-desktop-processor-6-cores-alder-lake-lga1700-cpu/
Intel Core I5-12400F £164.72

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-18m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/dee...ngle-tower-5x-copper-heatpipes-aluminium-fins
DeepCool AG500 BK ARGB CPU Cooler £44.99

https://global.deepcool.com/product...-ARGB-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2022/16251.shtml

https://www.cclonline.com/ct2000p2ssd8-crucial-p2-m-2-2280-2tb-pci-express-3-0-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive/
Crucial P2 2TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD £141.79

i5 12400 / 12400F gaming benchmarks.

 

[Bob.B]

If I were to upgrade to a 3070ti or 3080 10/12GB later would I also need to upgrade the PSU (I have checked a few posts and they did mention that a 12600K should be able to handle a 3080ti without a bottleneck)

I think for the 3070/80 your into iffy area with that psu.

If your planning on going up the gpu ladder get a psu with a 10 yr warranty.

 

[DSzymborski]

Weird to cheap out on the PSU on this budget. This hasn't been properly reviewed, sadly, and the ultra-budget SeaSonics aren't particularly good, though well above the junk tier. A non-reviewed PSU is guilty until proven innocent and given some very mediocre capacitors from a picture of the inside on the web, it's certainly not a PSU I'd give the benefit of the doubt to without a real teardown/review.

The cost-cutting on the PSU for one, which is really hard to justify when you're paying £70 more for a more aggressively overclocked 3060 (I assume this is UK since you're using pounds but there are a ton of 3060s available around £ 340). Feels awkward to get one of the most expensive B660 motherboards; what feature caused you to pick this board? And I'd stay away from that AIO given the recalls; hard to tell purchasing online how the retailer has treated the particular cooler they're selling you.

 

[Gamefreaknet]

Weird to cheap out on the PSU on this budget. This hasn't been properly reviewed, sadly, and the ultra-budget SeaSonics aren't particularly good, though well above the junk tier. A non-reviewed PSU is guilty until proven innocent and given some very mediocre capacitors from a picture of the inside on the web, it's certainly not a PSU I'd give the benefit of the doubt to without a real teardown/review.

The cost-cutting on the PSU for one, which is really hard to justify when you're paying £70 more for a more aggressively overclocked 3060 (I assume this is UK since you're using pounds but there are a ton of 3060s available around £ 340). Feels awkward to get one of the most expensive B660 motherboards; what feature caused you to pick this board? And I'd stay away from that AIO given the recalls; hard to tell purchasing online how the retailer has treated the particular cooler they're selling you.

Reworked build: (kept the original cooler and 12600K):
The motherboard I aim to have with this build should have at least 1 ethernet port (preferably 2.5gbps) and Wifi6 or 6E

Component		Selection	Price
CPU		Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor	£261.59	Buy
CPU Cooler		MSI MAG CORELIQUID 240R V2 78.73 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	£89.00	Buy
Motherboard		NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard	£169.12	Buy
Memory		Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	£103.99	Buy
Storage		ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 Lite 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	£156.29	Buy
Storage		Crucial P3 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	£36.99	Buy
Video Card		Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card	£413.47	Buy
Case		MSI MAG VAMPIRIC 100R ATX Mid Tower Case	£52.49	Buy
Power Supply		Gigabyte P850GM 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£84.99	Buy
Operating System		Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit	£111.36	Buy
Monitor		Dell G2722HS 27.0" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Monitor	£189.99	Buy
Total:	£1669.28

 

[Darkbreeze]

I would avoid that power supply, even though newer model revisions supposedly no longer include "exploding" in the list of features, for the very reasons explained here. Yes, this is for the 750w model but the platforms are the same.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabyte-gp-p750gm-power-supply-review/6

 

[Gamefreaknet]

I would avoid that power supply, even though newer model revisions supposedly no longer include "exploding" in the list of features, for the very reasons explained here. Yes, this is for the 750w model but the platforms are the same.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabyte-gp-p750gm-power-supply-review/6

Which PSU would you recommend then (preferably 850w for under £100) (UK)?
Build link [HERE]

 

[DSzymborski]

PCPartPicker Part List

Power Supply: Corsair TX850M Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£94.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £94.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 05:16 GMT+0000

Probably the best one, if it's still in stock at that place at this price.

The problem is the question itself. There are excellent PSUs under £100, but 850W is still a pretty large output PSU.

You're talking about future upgradeability, but that also requires a larger initial outlay.

This is the next high-quality 850W PSU available.

PCPartPicker Part List

Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£113.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £113.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 05:21 GMT+0000

If you're just going to buy something mediocre, that's the opposite of the goal of upgradeability, so then you should just abandon that part and buy something high-quality for your current rig.

PCPartPicker Part List

Power Supply: Corsair RM550x (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£77.98 @ Currys PC World Business)
Total: £77.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 05:24 GMT+0000

 

[Darkbreeze]

Any of these would be fine as well.

PCPartPicker Part List

Power Supply: Corsair TX650M Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£79.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £79.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 05:35 GMT+0000





PCPartPicker Part List

Power Supply: KOLINK ENCLAVE 700 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£71.89 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £71.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 05:43 GMT+0000




PCPartPicker Part List

Power Supply: NZXT C650 (2022) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£81.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £81.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-18 05:47 GMT+0000



Although the preference would be for the Corsair or NZXT units from these three choices, the Kolink unit reviewed pretty well too.