[SOLVED] PC Build Slow

[nkzt]

Modest-Decent PC specs but PC still very slow and freezes up a lot. I did read somewhere that to get good performance out of a Ryzen CPU you needed more RAM, but for a lower end Ryzen CPU I figured 8 GB of ddr4 would be enough. I updated my motherboard's bios as well to the newest one and all of my drivers are up to date.
Specs:
Ryzen 3 2200G
8 GB DDR4- 2666
1 TB Seagate HDD
Gigabyte A320M-S2H
Radeon MSI Radeon R9 270X GAMING 4GB 256-bit GDDR5
EVGA 500B PSU

Thank you.

 

[Aeacus]

What you have is not a CPU but instead an APU. But correct terminology is a minor thing.

To know if any of your components are underperforming, run UserBenchmark test,
link: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Software

Post the results link here for further validation.

 

[nkzt]

What you have is not a CPU but instead an APU. But correct terminology is a minor thing.

To know if any of your components are underperforming, run UserBenchmark test,
link: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Software

Post the results link here for further validation.

UserBenchmarks: Game 38%, Desk 49%, Work 33%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 2200G - 71.3%
GPU: AMD R9 270X - 36.7%
HDD: WD Blue 1TB (2012) - 84.2%
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2400 C16 1x8GB - 46.6%
MBD: Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H-CF

Turns out I have a WD Blue HDD. I could've sworn I put in a Seagate.

 

[Aeacus]

Your APU is underclocking itself at turbo, suggesting either software issue or thermal throttling.

R3 2200G runs at 3.5 Ghz stock with turbo up to 3.7 Ghz. Your APU did 3.6 Ghz stock with turbo of 3.3 Ghz.

So, what are your CPU temps? Both idle and under load?

Btw, you listed 2666 Mhz RAM but what you have in there is 2400 Mhz RAM.

 

[nkzt]

Your APU is underclocking itself at turbo, suggesting either software issue or thermal throttling.

R3 2200G runs at 3.5 Ghz stock with turbo up to 3.7 Ghz. Your APU did 3.6 Ghz stock with turbo of 3.3 Ghz.

So, what are your CPU temps? Both idle and under load?

Btw, you listed 2666 Mhz RAM but what you have in there is 2400 Mhz RAM.

Sorry, I'm kind of new to this. How would I check my CPU temps?

 

[Aeacus]

Since you have AMD APU in use, you'll need to use AMD Overdrive software to monitor your chip temps,
link: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/amd-overdrive

2x values are important: socket temperature and thermal margin.

Socket temperature is a real temperature of what your motherboard sees and reports in your BIOS and motherboard utility software (Easytune, A tuning, MSI Command Center, ect). Socket temperature is a great indication of your idle CPU temperature, but it is much less accurate during heavy loads.

Thermal Margin indicates how far the current operating temperature is below the maximum operating temperature of the processor. This temperature is based off of precise calculations that are very accurate during heavy loads. It is perfectly safe to operate in the full envelope of thermal margin. When thermal margin runs out, your CPU/APU will throttle to a lower power state until back in the thermal margin.

Example:
socket temp - 30°C
thermal margin - 40°C

While first is self explanatory, showing your APU idle temp at 30°C as it sits when idle, thermal margin is vice-versa. 40°C thermal margin means that your CPU has 40°C to go before APU thermal throttles.

To put it short: the lower the socket temp - the better. But the higher the thermal margin - the better.

So, what are your socket temperature and thermal margin? Both on idle and under load?

 

[Vic 40]

Btw, you listed 2666 Mhz RAM but what you have in there is 2400 Mhz RAM.

It's also single channel which doesn't make things better.

 

[nkzt]

Since you have AMD APU in use, you'll need to use AMD Overdrive software to monitor your chip temps,
link: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/amd-overdrive

2x values are important: socket temperature and thermal margin.

Socket temperature is a real temperature of what your motherboard sees and reports in your BIOS and motherboard utility software (Easytune, A tuning, MSI Command Center, ect). Socket temperature is a great indication of your idle CPU temperature, but it is much less accurate during heavy loads.

Thermal Margin indicates how far the current operating temperature is below the maximum operating temperature of the processor. This temperature is based off of precise calculations that are very accurate during heavy loads. It is perfectly safe to operate in the full envelope of thermal margin. When thermal margin runs out, your CPU/APU will throttle to a lower power state until back in the thermal margin.

Example:
socket temp - 30°C
thermal margin - 40°C

While first is self explanatory, showing your APU idle temp at 30°C as it sits when idle, thermal margin is vice-versa. 40°C thermal margin means that your CPU has 40°C to go before APU thermal throttles.

To put it short: the lower the socket temp - the better. But the higher the thermal margin - the better.

So, what are your socket temperature and thermal margin? Both on idle and under load?

I installed AMD Overdrive but every time I run it I get a blue screen that says "Something Went Wrong" and my PC restarts.

 

[Vic 40]

You said you updated to the latest bios but there is a newer one, " F24 8.36 MB from 2018/12/26". From that benchmark link i got this "BIOS Date from 2018/08/08" which is the previous F23 bios.

Before updating to this latest bios make sure to first install the latest "AMD All In One" drivers!!

Note: Update AMD Chipset Driver 18.10.20.02 or latest version before update to this BIOS.

it also says this with this bios update and why i want you to do it,

Update AGESA 1.0.0.6
improve performance on Athlon 200-series APU

For temps try this one,

download hwinfo64,
install and open it,
check "sensors-only",
click "run".

hwinfo is most of the times very accurate.

 

[Aeacus]

For temps try this one,

download hwinfo64,
install and open it,
check "sensors-only",
click "run".

hwinfo is most of the times very accurate.

While HWinfo64 is accurate for Intel chips, this isn't the case with AMD chips and their thermal margin sensor. That's the main reason why i suggested using AMD Overdrive instead of HWinfo64 and/or Speccy, which the latter two i use myself but i have Intel build.

Does HWMonitor say your CPU/APU temp is 70C when idling but your CPU socket feels cool to the touch? Is Core Temp only reading 10C but it's not possible because your room is 28C? The reason is that these and other 3rd party programs are not interpreting the AMD TCTL signal correctly, although they seem to work fine for Intel CPUs.

"Thermal Margin indicates how far the current operating temperature is below the maximum operating temperature of the processor." -AMD. Further information can be found in the BIOS and Kernal Developer's Guide This temperature is based off of precise calculations that are very accurate during heavy loads. This is what you should be concerned with while stress testing your CPU. This is also the signal that is most often erroneously interpreted by 3rd party programs like HWMonitor, ect. Use AMD Overdrive to measure thermal margin.

source: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html

I installed AMD Overdrive but every time I run it I get a blue screen that says "Something Went Wrong" and my PC restarts.

Strange.
Is your Win legit or is it pirated?

You can give a go with BIOS update if you like but do note that if the BIOS update is interrupted by any event (e.g power loss), your MoBo will be bricked and you're looking towards new MoBo. Due to that risk, i'd suggest BIOS update as the last ditch effort.

 

[Vic 40]

I do use hwinfo with my Ryzen 1600 and it's as accurate as AMD Overdrive, checked those against each other,but it's a different cpu so maybe with the 2200G you're right.still think it's worth a shot.

 

[nkzt]

I do use hwinfo with my Ryzen 1600 and it's as accurate as AMD Overdrive, checked those against each other,but it's a different cpu so maybe with the 2200G you're right.still think it's worth a shot.

what temperatures do you need?

 

[Vic 40]

The cpu temps. Make a screenshot,you can use the Windows clipping tool for just the part we need,and upload to imgur,

You can use Imgur to post a picture here,use the "img" link.
Click "new post" ->choose "upload images" -> "browse" ->choose the picture and click "open" ->put cursor on the picture that you uploaded->choose "share links" and copy the img link,paste it in your next post.

 

[nkzt]

The cpu temps. Make a screenshot,you can use the Windows clipping tool for just the part we need,and upload to imgur,

You can use Imgur to post a picture here,use the "img" link.
Click "new post" ->choose "upload images" -> "browse" ->choose the picture and click "open" ->put cursor on the picture that you uploaded->choose "share links" and copy the img link,paste it in your next post.

https://imgur.com/a/vvDzGbm

 

[Vic 40]

Don't think you pushed the cpu there,can you run Cinebench or something else that wil push the cpu. and show the afterwards temps? Also include a picture of the core clocks.