pc build using Ryzen 7 1700x for rendering - need advice.

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Hi,
I am planning on building my first pc aimed at running 3D graphics rendering such as
-Blender: Advanced Particle systems. (Full grass fields with 1000000’s of strands using low poly grass meshes), Cloth/Fluid Simulations, High poly meshes, Advanced PBR shaders as well as Procedural materials.
-Substance Painter
-Substance Designer
-3ds max
-Vray
-Photoshop/Corel painter (with bigger canvas and brush size but not getting lag when painting)
-Illustrator
-After Effects
-Unity

Based on my budget (~AUD$2000, excluding monitor, keyboard, mouse etc), I have been recommended the following build and would like some advice on
1. whether this is suitable, and are there any bottlenecks or incompatibilities or can it be improved (without increasing the cost)?
2. is there anything I could reduce to cut costs with minimal impact on performance?
3. Would a 6 GB GTX 1060 be OK instead of the GTX 1070?

AMD Ryzen 7 1700x CPU
Noctua NH-U12S Multi Socket CPU Cooler
ASUS Prime X370 Pro Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 Black
Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB SSD
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB GDDR5 256 bit PCI-E 3.0 x 16 Windforce OC (GV-N1070WF2OC-8GD) graphics card
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Chassis Black
EVGA SuperNOVA G2 750W or Corsair AX Series AX860 860W Power Supply (to allow an extra graphics card to be added in future?)
Hitachi 2TB HGST (secondary drive)
windows 10

Thanks in advance for your help!
JB
 
Not a specialist but I may advice you to get 4x8 ram at 3000 or 3200mhz. Because rendering and stuff needs more ram and if you buy 2 sticks of ram you may have to replace them with a quad sticks later on? Ryzen cpus benefit allot from fast rams and here is an AMD article with advice about gaming and stuff https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/14/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

16 gigs are good for gaming, when in comes into photography, 3d rendering, video, you have to buy 32 or 64.
 
Drop to the 1700 & overclock yourself.

The 1700/1700x/1800x all clock to about the same between 3.7-4ghz.

As far as I'm aware at the minute no-one has managed to get 3200mhz ram running full speed.
This may likely change as the platform matures but if 3000mhz is available significantly cheaper I would drop to that.
Stick with 2x 8gb at the minute.

Nvidia sli ?? Would not even consider it nowadays.
There is no sli bridge on the 1060, sli can only be enable with the use of explicit GPU which is a work in progress & not to be relied on .

Buy the best single GPU you can afford now .

A 650w PSU is going to be more than enough.
 
I've left out the CPU cooler simply because the 1700 comes with a fairly decent one.
A lot of decent coolers still do not come with the am4 bracket as standard which limits choice.
In a couple of months 99% of the good coolers should have the am4 bracket in the box & you will not be limited to an overpriced noctua.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($445.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($159.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($155.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($195.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($121.00 @ IJK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6G Video Card ($359.00 @ Shopping Express)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($139.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($146.30 @ Skycomp Technology)
Total: $1719.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-24 19:19 AEDT+1100
 
Thanks for your helpful responses Madmatt30!

When you say "Nvidia sli ?? Would not even consider it nowadays.
There is no sli bridge on the 1060, sli can only be enable with the use of explicit GPU which is a work in progress & not to be relied on ." I want to clarify what you mean (sorry I'm a bit of a newbee) so is what you you mean that the 1060 can't be joined in pairs like the 1070 and 1080 can? That seems to be what I've read today after you pointed me to that, but want to be sure that's what you meant. I guess the aim was to have a good enough graphics card now, perhaps the GTX 1070, and then be able to add a second graphics card later as the motherboard I chose had a second slot. Is this a decent idea? Can that be done with the 1070 if it can't with the 1060? If I have a 1070, can I later add a GTX 1080 and pair them, or would it need to be a matching 1070?

I've read more on your idea of using the 1700 then overclocking it to get close to the 1700X or 1800X speeds and that looks like a great idea. Would I need extra cooling then?
So what do you think about if I use the components list you have suggested but swap out the video card for the GTX 1070, and also I'm maybe considering a different motherboard, the ROG Crosshair VI hero AMD X370 ATX gaming motherboard. I think it is a bit more expensive than the one you suggested and your suggestion is probably more sensible from a cost perspective, but the ROG has cool lighting effects and a few more port options that may be useful and so I'm thinking it may be worth the extra, but don't know for sure that it is compatible with the rest of this build. Do you have any advice on whether it would be OK with that motherboard, the GTX 1070 and the rest of the components that you suggest?

Thanks also orifiel for your suggestions on the ram. The board can be expanded up to 64MB, in the future, but I think that I could try to start with a pair of 8MB=16MB for now and see how I go, then add more later. Thanks for pointing me to that link that was very helpful.

JB
 
Gooday JBryant2,

Your proposed system is very sensible and performance should be very good for your applciations. Here are some items to consider:

GPU: The problem with multiple GPU's on a Ryzen platform is that there are a maximum of 24 PCIe lanes- some motherboards only support 16- and either way, that means that two CPU's would run at x8, x8. The x8 configuration is apparently not that noticeable, but, importantly, Adobe applications do not even recognize multiple GPU's They are also terrible at dual processors. On that basis, if the GTX 1070 is predicted to be inadequate, use a GTX 1080.

PSU: I might mention that a 750W or 860W power supply is far more than necessary, the Ryzen 7 is only 95W. I have Ryzen 7 system in mind not too dissimilar to yours:

High Performance 3D CAD / Rendering Workstation_Ryzen 7 1800X_3.24.17

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($498.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($159.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 ($64.95)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($459.99 @ Newegg)
Drive 1: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H)
Drive 2: Crucial MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($269.45 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Suppressor F51 ATX Mid Tower Case ($106.01 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($108.90 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($139.00 @ Amazon)
Other: Samsung ZenDrive GP65NB60/BLK/G/AS ($29.99)
__________________________________________________________
Total: $2,929.25 (USD)

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-25 09:23 EDT-0400

Without the Quadro P4000 GPU, that system is rated to consume only 231W. With a GTX 1070 added to the above list (= +150W) that would equal 381W, s. Power supplies are most effiicent when running at 80% of capacity which = 476W so actually a 550W PSU is plenty. I am considering possibly adding a Tesla M2090 coprocessor that = + 200W to the Ryzen build, so I' would use am oversized PSU just in that eventuality.

RAM: With your applications, the full 64GB seems inevitable. Last week, we were trying to run a Vray (CPU) test rendering of a 152MB Sketchup model and that crashed on an HP z420 with 32GB. It ran, however, on the 64GB rendering system and we saw that the rendering required 37.1GB of RAM during setup which later ran on 17.9GB during rendering. As the Ryzen 7 is dual channel, consider starting with 2X 16GB so the other 32GB can be added later without having to change the original modules. That is less expensive in the long term.

I considered a lot of alternatives for an 8-core workstation and the Ryzen 7 at the moment appears to be the best value. Not to throw a spanner into the works, but be aware there will be a new Intel workstation platform LGA2066 in the Autumn. Still, I can't imagine that it would be as good a bargain.

CPU Cooling: the Ryzen 7's are only 95W and for reasons of quiet running, I think that unless the overclocking was pushed very high and you have processing running full-bore for hours, a liquid cooler is not necessary. A high performance fan/heatsink is an effective choice, plus compare the noise ratings of liquid coolers to the Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4.

Case: On the subject of noise, consider a noise supressing case. Gaming cases such as the Phanteks Enthoo Pro have fans right on the front panel surface, windows, and open vents. This is much quieter and in the US a bit less expensive:

Thermaltake SUPPRESSOR F31 ATX Mid Tower Ultra Quiet Gaming Silent Computer Case (CA-1E3-00M1NN-00) > US $84.52 (Phanteks Enthoo Pro costs US $100). Tuck this well under the desk and run a USB 3.0 optical drive to the desktop top.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

CAD / 3D Modeling / Graphic Design:

HP z420 (2015) (Rev 3) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) / 32GB DDR3 -1866 ECC RAM / Quadro K4200 (4GB) / Samsung SM951 M.2 256GB AHCI + Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) + Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card + Logitech z2300 2.1 speakers > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit >> 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)
[ Passmark Rating = 5581 > CPU= 14226 / 2D= 838 / 3D= 4694 / Mem= 2777 / Disk= 11559] [6.12.16] Single-Thread Mark = 2098 [3.24.17]
[Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1031cb / Single Core = 142 cb / OpenGL= 127.39 fps / MP Ratio = 7.24x] 3.2.17
[FryBench: 3:24 /Efficiency 2177.13] 3.11.17

Analysis / Simulation / Rendering:

HP z620 (2012) (Rev 3) 2X Xeon E5-2690 (8-core @ 2.9 / 3.8GHz) / 64GB DDR3-1600 ECC reg) / Quadro K2200 (4GB) + Tesla M2090 (6GB) / HP Z Turbo Drive (256GB) + Samsung 850 Evo 250GB + Seagate Constellation ES.3 (1TB) / Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium PCIe sound card + Logitech z313 2.1 speakers / 800W / Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > > HP 2711x (27" 1980 X 1080)
[ Passmark System Rating= 5675 / CPU= 22625 / 2D= 815 / 3D = 3580 / Mem = 2522 / Disk = 12640 ] 9.25.16 Single Thread Mark = 1903
[ Cinebench R15: CPU = 2209 cb / Single core 130 cb / OpenGL= 119.23 fps / MP Ratio 16.84x] 10.31.16
 
Excuse the late reply, time difference of 11-13 hours between us.
That build was based around absolute bang for Buck

The stock spire cooler is good for 3.7/3.8ghz with still respectable temps.
At that speed you really are touching 1800x performance for much much less money.
If I were in the market for a ryzen 7 the 1700 is the chip I'd go for personally. (I'm waiting for the r5 1600 myself)
I'm not saying outright don't consider an aftermarket cooler , just at the moment stuff with am4 brackets is limited & you're forced into corsair aio's or overpriced (IMO) noctuas at the minute.
You can most certainly live with the stock cooler until am4 brackets after into stock properly on the cheaper cryorigs etc - you may find it just straight out good enough anyway.

Board choice was purely down to budget , the ROG is a great board around IMO so if it floats your boat go for it.

Re twin 1060s vs a 1070.

Don't buy a 1060 with the idea to sli in the future.
In all honesty I have no idea what your use is for the gpu, if its purely for cuda rendering in blender then you absolutely can use 2 gpu's in a non sli configuration for that particular use though.
I would still always buy the beat singular card you can , less overall power required, less non native optimization, less possible performance pitfalls.
Also take into consideration that with a ryzen 7 you could easily run 2 seperate blender instances /projects , 1 on the CPU & 1 on the GPU with very little performance loss over a singular use.

Consider the storage drive options I used strongly, while the mx300 isn't as outright fast as a 960 you're getting over twice by the storage for not much more money & it is plenty 'fast enough'
Likewise the tosh 3tb , these are pretty much the only drives I use now , they're up there with a WD blue performance wise , quieter & the 6 drives I have have shown not a single issue under an awful lot of use.



 
I am very grateful to both of you (BambiBoom and madmatt30) for your really helpful advice.

There are three remaining questions I have:
1. The original Memory that I had listed (the Corsair Vengeance) I have now discovered that it is designed for a different chipset to the motherboard I am considering here apparently because it says it is for the intel100 (which I don't fully understand). I then looked at the memory suggested by madmatt30 (GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory) and I'm not sure if that is for the right chipset for my motherboard but I assume it is or you wouldn't have suggested it. However, I note that it only comes in red, but I want to do a cool blue/white build with a window on the case and the Corsairs come in different colours to match the build but I don't understand which ones are compatible. So I thought that maybe the GeIL EVO POTENZA may have different options but I'm totally lost in understanding what I need to be compatible with the chipset of this motherboard. I read up on this and ended up even more confused. I note that the G.Skill option that bambiboom is going to use is too expensive for me.
So is there any chance you could tell me how I tell whether a DDR4 memory option will work with my build and/or can you suggest a 2 x 8MB option that is reliable, reasonably priced and comes in blue or white? (I know that sounds a bit fussy, but it would make the build look good!).
2. I note that bambiboom is using a mid tower case while madmatt30 is suggesting a full tower case. Does it matter which size? I guess they both fit the chosen motherboard? You will see in the list below that I'm considering a case based totally on the look of it and it is a mid tower, and is there any reason this case wouldn't be a good choice? (bambiboom, I did consider the quiet ones you suggested, and that was good advice, but they sort of didn't look as good and I think I wont be so concerned with the noise and the one I've chosen is supposed to be one of the quietest cases with a window).
3. madmatt30, thanks for the advice on the MX300. I changed the M.2 version of theCrucial MX300 to the SATA version- Crucial MX300 525GB SATA 2.5" Internal SSD, because the case has a special mount for the SSD SATA version which includes lighting. Do you see any issues with the SATA compared to the M.2 version? If there is a performance difference then I'll swap it back.

So at the moment the build looks like this:
CPU: Ryzen 7 1700 3.0ghz 8 core
CPU Cooler: Using the one that comes with the Ryzen
Motherboard: ROG Crosshair VI Hero AMD X370 ATX
Memory: ?? see question above
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB SATA 2.5" Internal SSD (note I will add the other Toshiba extra hard drive later to save money for now).
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce (or perhaps the 1080 if I can stretch my budget) NOTE this is the Windforce, not the other GTX 1070 (I hadn't previously realised there were two types).
Case: Bitfenix Aurora White Mid tower w/ side panel window
Power Supply: seasonic 650w 80+ gold certified semi-modular atx power supply
Operating system: Windows 10

Any other comments on that build or anything I could improve?

Many thanks!
JB







 
White / blue build.
I'd go with this stuff

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/Ntp323/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15b

M2 vs sata 3 mx300, yes there is a theoretical performance difference.
In the real world the sata drive is still fast enough , you won't actually notice the difference.

Consider the Asus dual 1070 or better the exoc sniper , the sniper is a beautiful looking Pearl white card card with its own programmable led backplate & fans.

https://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemId=627276
 
BTW - you're going to want some intake fans for the Aurora case , far as I know it only comes with a lone 120mm exhaust.

The only reason I used the phenom case in that build list is because you mentioned it in your first post & I thought it was your preferred case

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/gmJkcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400s-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec416pstg_wt

Consider the p400s glass.

Very similar looks to the aurora , programmable power led , internal rgb lighting , 2 Pre fitted fans , a 3 speed fan controller , sound dampened panels and a nice full length PSU/3.5inch drive shroud.

More for your money ;-)


 
Thanks yet again Madmatt30.
Sorry to be confusing on the case....I thought the Phanteks Enthoo Pro Chassis case was a mid-tower case, and to be honest I only thought of the blue/white build after I posted that because I was focussed on the specs rather than the look initially.
So, that white case you suggest looks cool. Two questions
1. is this mid-tower definitely big enough? (I'm not sure hot to tell if the everything fits)
2. Do I understand you that this case comes with both the intake and exhaust fans that it needs but the other white case would mean I need to buy an intake fan?

The blue Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory looks perfect! One question:
1. So if this runs at 3000MHz then will this be a limiting part if I overclock to faster than that (sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm not clear on how this works with different speed components and if that creates bottlenecks)?

Do you know how the performance compares between the Asus dual 1070, the exoc sniper and the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce? I can see they are all GeForce GTX 1070 8GB, but I can't work out what the difference is with regard to speed and performance. There is some discussion online that the exoc sniper has a thick backboard and may not fit in some builds - do you know how I could tell if it will fit in my build?

Sorry for all the questions, but you clearly are very knowledgable and I know nothing about this and it's a lot of money so I really want to be sure I don't have any bottlenecks in the system and that everything fits and is compatible.

JB
 
Hi mate .

Regarding case

1. Definitely big enough mate , nor going to be an issue.
2. Yes , 2 fans included ,the biggie for me is the PSU shroud/cover though.I'll never build a windowed PC in a case without one again. Your cable management can be first class but when you can see the psu itself & the exiting cables its almost always an eyesore , Psu's aren't particularly pretty no matter how much they cost so why nor cover them up ;-)

Ram

3000mhz seems to be the current sweet spot for ryzen , while moving from 2400mhz ram to 3200mhz can improve performance by 6-7% , the difference between 3000 & 3200 mhz is negligible.
Overclocking the CPU itself does not affect ram speeds at all.


GPU

Exoc sniper & Asus dual have matched clock speeds , the gigabyte is slightly slower .
This is on paper , in real life there is virtually no difference , outside if some anally retentive & repeated benchmark testing you will see no difference , 1-3fps if that (probably equating to about 0.25%)
The sniper is just so well made though mate , steel shroud , steel backplate , the only plastic on these cards are the fan blades themselves.Incredibly quiet too .
Nothing wrong with the Asus dual , the sniper is just better though.

Loads of room for the backplate on that rog board , theres 15-20mm clearance from the top of the PCI slots to the bottom of the ram slots , will fit no issue at all.
 
Madmatt30,

So the case sounds perfect - I'm sold on that one.

I have a question about the blue ram you suggested - It says on the Corsair web site that this ram is suitable for Intel X99 and 100 Series motherboards, but I think the chipset on my proposed motherboard is not that. Does that mean it will not work, or not work well in this build?
I did a search for blue (or bluish) ram that directly lists compatibility with this motherboard and came up with G.Skill 16G(2x8G)F4-3200C14D-16GFX DDR4 2400 MHZ 1.2V. Do you know if they are any good? I note that is the same brand being used by bambiboom above, but a different model. It seems to be a bit hard to buy here though.

The sniper sounds perfect. Given the larger size, will it affect my ability to add a second graphics card later - ie: can two of them fit?

Many thanks for your advice!
JB

 
The blue corsair lpx is confirmed to run fine at 2933mhz using xmp in a ryzen build mate.

So you can buy it safely IMO & it's substantially cheaper than that g-skill.

Re 1070 sniper , really it's no bigger than any other card just a tiny tiny bit thicker because of the 4mm thick backplate.

Won't be an issue adding a second card should you really want to , the other GPU PCI express slot is a full 2 slots down from the first one.
 
Perhaps a dumb question, but what is xmp? Assumably the incompatibility is with the motherboard. This motherboard is not on the compatibility list for the blue corsair, and I'm concerned from what I've read online that it can be complex to tune systems to not have a bottleneck when the ram is not matching the chipset of the motherboard.

JB
 
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-crosshair-vi-hero-review,7.html

They're using vengeance lpx in the review here mate , only 2666mhz mind but its running fine full speed.
Ignore the colour , black / blue/red - all the same nand chips used.

I've seen another review with the 3000mhz running full speed (can't track it back down now) which is 2933mhz on a ryzen build.

Ryzen does not officially support a 3000mhz speed because of the bus speed , it supports 266.666667 increases from a 2133mhz base so 2133/2400/2666/2933/3200 are the available xmp speeds without manually overlocking the fsb

Xmp is an automatic ram overclocking setting.

At a base setting with xmp disabled all ddr4 ram defaults to 2133 out of the box irregardless of it's rating, the 3000mhz rating is the highest the ram has been confirmed to run , the lpx will have Pre programmed/embedded xmp profiles with timings & voltages for all available speeds up to that maximum.
I have no doubt at all that it will run on that board at 2666mhz at the minimum mate, none at all.
It'll also do that with a 1t command rate , which makes it close to 2933mhz 2t.

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-single-rank-versus-dual-rank-ddr4-memory-performance_192960/3

Other people do have it running full speed - either way there is no real actual incompatibility issue & at the price its the ram I would use.

 
OK, so based on all your totally helpful advice I think the build looks like this:

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor
Motherboard: Asus CROSSHAIR VI HERO ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory blue
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (will add the other Toshiba extra hard drive later)
Video Card: Galax GeForce GTX1070 EXOC Sniper White 8GB GDDR5 Video Card [Will add another one of these later]
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter

I have left out the cooler (assuming I'll use just the one that comes with the Ryzen), and I've added a randomly chosen wireless network adaptor because that may be useful.

Is there anything else I'm missing (apart from monitor, mouse and keyboard)?

Many thanks again!
JB
 
You're all good mate (I still consider the board a bit overpriced personally but if you like it ;-)

I personally would swap the psu out for the evga g2 750w , you're still absolute top tier quality with it , 100w more (thinking of future GPU addition) , actually performs ever so slightly better , fully modular , 10 year warranty & its a straight $10 more .

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/MfJwrH/evga-power-supply-220g20750xr
 
Solution
I swapped to the 750W power, then today I bought all the bits ....*sooooo* excited!!!
The thing is, I have to order the case because it is not easy to get here, so I need to wait about a week until I can put it all together, but I've got all the other bits.

I can't thank you enough for your fantastic help madmatt30!! (and also bambiboom).

I'll let you know how it turns out when it's built.

JB
 


good stuff mate,I think the p400s glass is worth a weeks wait personally.
Let us know how you get on.

I keep being tempted to pull the plug on a 1700 - prices are the lowest they have been in the UK since release but I just cant justify an 8 core.16 thread chip for my personal use.

Think itll still be the r5 1600 for me.
 
So the case has just arrived (had to wait a bit), and have just built the machine.
It looks *sooooo* good - that case is just the best - the cables are neat and tucked away, and the LED lighting looks fantastic - really bright.
In terms of how it performs, I'll have to get back to you because I'm busily loading software now and will spend the next few days optimising and testing speeds on the programs I want to use (plus a few games!).

I'll get back to you when I've got some good idea of the performance.....

 
MAKE SURE to get high speed memory with Ryzen 5, 7, (we are building a 1700x), these CPUs need a lot more memory bandwidth because the memory clockspeed influences the interconnect fabric. We got 8GBx2 3000 MT RAM (crucial tactical) because the 3200 MT didn't benchmark better (it may run at high clock rate but slower CAS offsets that somewhat). Also, crucial is single-rank, which is better than dual-rank corsair (cost us $147 vs. $126).

The TYPE of EVGA supernova power supply matters A LOT, there are 5 types, get at least a G2 or if you can find a cheap one, the GS (with japanese capacitors) are totally silent - we used it on our last build.

Also, get the Noctua NH-14S, it should fit inside more cases and although I guarantee you'll be amazed by the quietness of any Noctua, the 140mm fan might move ~50% more air than a 120mm fan (not only is it 36% bigger but the ends of the blades move faster and therefore push more air.)

We bought american and always opt for Micron(Crucial) RAM & SSD. So we bought a 512GB Crucial BX100 MLC drive for $180, the Samsung EVO will wear out much sooner, Sammy's are TLC and are not durable and are overpriced for what they are.
 

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