[SOLVED] PC rebuild Suggestions

[FlewDesigns]

Hey,

My current build is 5 years old so looking at updating. (I ONLY WANT TO UPDATE IF 30-50% performance increase).

I work in 3D using Maya/Vray and currently am getting some crashes (especially with 2 monitors and using 3D software) Thing is i wasn't seeing high % numbers on
the CPU or RAM/CARD on Task Manager so realised that i have a power supply issue. Now that i have fixed that I want to know peoples opinions on my rig and if i really need to upgrade.
If i can only expect 20% improvement i dont think the price is worth it but if i will get a big increase in render times and speed/no crashes then im open to it!

Current Build:

Intel Core i7 5960x
Gigabyte X99-UD4-CF Motherboard
DDR4 Ram 32gb (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00N1OZJOE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 )
1080TI Graphics Card.
1 SSD Seagate 120gb
1 2TB Harddrive
(just ordered this PSU To upgrade from 650w 5 year old (Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ B&H))


I asked about my power supply on a different thread and was suggested to get these parts for an upgrade. Do you agree or would you change anything?

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($469.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 CPU Cooler ($59.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING 4 WIFI ax ATX AM4 Motherboard ($153.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($133.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ B&H)
Total: $937.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-18 12:59 EST-0500
Going from a 8c/12t CPU to 12c/24t CPU with higher IPC & clock speed all with lower TDP isn't a bad option.


Let me know your thoughts thank you!




- Extra Info on my Build

Windows 10 ‎(X64)‎ 1903 System install date: 11/12/2019
Processor	Intel Core i7 5960X clocked at 3 GHz Processor frequency measure (core0): 4.30 GHz Number of cores: 8 physical, 16 logical Processor socket: Socket 2011 LGA CPU Temperature (core 0): 72 °C
Motherboard	Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. X99-UD4-CF x.x Serial number (motherboard): Default string SKU Number: Default string Bios version: F22 Date: 6/13/2016
Chipset	Northbridge : Intel Haswell-E Revision ID: 02 Southbridge : Intel X99 Revision ID: 05
Memory	32 GB total memory type DDR4 to 1.07 GHz Memory timing: 15.0 clocks-15 clocks-15 clocks-35 clocks-2 TT Memory chip G.Skill of 8 GB Maximum frequency: 1.07 GHz Max bandwidth: DDR4-2132 Memory chip G.Skill of 8 GB Maximum frequency: 1.07 GHz Max bandwidth: DDR4-2132 Memory chip G.Skill of 8 GB Maximum frequency: 1.07 GHz Max bandwidth: DDR4-2132 Memory chip G.Skill of 8 GB Maximum frequency: 1.07 GHz Max bandwidth: DDR4-2132
Graphics card	NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti DirectX version installed: 11.0 Core clock: 1.52 GHz Memory clock: 5.04 GHz
Harddrive	Harddrive ST3000DM001-1CH166 of 2.73 TB SATA III Firmware: CC29 SATA version: SATA Rev 2.6 Serial number: W1F5PLJ3 Harddrive ST2000LM007-1R8174 of 1.82 TB SATA III Firmware: EB01 SATA version: SATA Rev 2.6 Serial number: ZDZ6FN1C Harddrive ST1000LM025HN-M101ABB of 931.51 GB SATA II Firmware: 2AR10001 SATA version: SATA Rev 2.6 Serial number: C7883G14ACDN0V SSD SamsungSSD840PROSeries of 119.24 GB SATA III Firmware: DXM06B0Q SATA version: SATA Rev 2.6 Serial number: S1ANNSAF336641V Harddrive Seagate Expansion SCSI Disk Device of 931.51 GB

 

[korv]

Well, if the usage and performance are acceptable then no. Seems like a quite nice rig.

If you still want your components upgraded then ping me.

 

[logainofhades]

I would say it would be a significant upgrade. Your CPU is slower than a 9900k, and even it loses out to a 3900x, in multithreaded applications, by a significant margin.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_3950x_review,15.html


Definitely want faster ram, and not entirely sure how well the VRM's, on that Asrock board, will hold up to a 3900x. I believe even a B450 Tomahawk Max would be vastly superior, in that area, as its VRM's are quite good.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1942-ryzen-9-3950x-b450-motherboards/

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($203.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1008.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-19 07:55 EST-0500

 

[FlewDesigns]

I would say it would be a significant upgrade. Your CPU is slower than a 9900k, and even it loses out to a 3900x, in multithreaded applications, by a significant margin.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_3950x_review,15.html


Definitely want faster ram, and not entirely sure how well the VRM's, on that Asrock board, will hold up to a 3900x. I believe even a B450 Tomahawk Max would be vastly superior, in that area, as its VRM's are quite good.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1942-ryzen-9-3950x-b450-motherboards/

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($203.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1008.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-19 07:55 EST-0500

Hey Thank you, so the X570 Auros Keyboard or the B450 Tomahawk? Sorry its just you put two different boards

Appreciate the help in advance.

 

[logainofhades]

If you care about PCI-E gen4, and 2 NVME M.2 slots, the Gigabyte. If not, the B450 Tomahawk max. SLI is basically dead, so I don't think of it as a viable reason, anymore.

 

[FlewDesigns]

I would say it would be a significant upgrade. Your CPU is slower than a 9900k, and even it loses out to a 3900x, in multithreaded applications, by a significant margin.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_3950x_review,15.html


Definitely want faster ram, and not entirely sure how well the VRM's, on that Asrock board, will hold up to a 3900x. I believe even a B450 Tomahawk Max would be vastly superior, in that area, as its VRM's are quite good.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1942-ryzen-9-3950x-b450-motherboards/

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($203.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1008.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-19 07:55 EST-0500

Hi sorry to bother you but i cant find the ram you suggested, im from UK, can you suggest another equivalent ram? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ztWzXv

 

[Nemesia]

Hi sorry to bother you but i cant find the ram you suggested, im from UK, can you suggest another equivalent ram? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ztWzXv

Same model number from amazon co uk - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pamięć-G-S...ords=F4-3600C16D-32GVKC&qid=1582142811&sr=8-1

 

[FlewDesigns]

Same model number from amazon co uk - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pamięć-G-Skill-Ripjaws-DDR4-DIMM/dp/B07Z86BMCQ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=F4-3600C16D-32GVKC&qid=1582142811&sr=8-1

Hi thanks, but its overpriced there and with £12 dlivery, will keep looking thanks,

edit- found it, https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en...&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-ngQ3bf9IwFE_ewtor3oPIw

 

[logainofhades]

Lower latency ram does tend to cost more.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtznc

 

[FlewDesigns]

If you care about PCI-E gen4, and 2 NVME M.2 slots, the Gigabyte. If not, the B450 Tomahawk max. SLI is basically dead, so I don't think of it as a viable reason, anymore.

Hi Sorry the Gigabyte is not available on Amazon for me as its 3 weeks delivery. Do you have an alternative? Im buying the parts now.

this is current parts https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/mYssV7

 

[FlewDesigns]

Hi, created another thread asking about a rebuild but want to confirm I have the perfect upgrade.

Current Rig

CPU: Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor (£779.00 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: NZXT HAVIK 140 90.3 CFM CPU Cooler (£63.31 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard (£155.94 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£358.80 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£47.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£47.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£69.98 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: GTX 1080TI Graphics Card
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case (£54.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£62.77 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£10.46 @ Aria PC)



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Suggested Upgrades are the below Parts list:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/mYssV7

Component		Selection	Base	Promo	Shipping	Tax	Price	Where
CPU		AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	£415.50			£415.50	Buy
CPU Cooler		Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler	£47.99		£2.74		£50.73	Buy
Motherboard		Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard	£329.99		FREE		£329.99	Buy
Memory		G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	£178.20		£4.15		£182.35	Buy
Power Supply		SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Can you confirm this is the right move?

Also do you think I would benefit from updating SSD or is my current acceptable.



- Also anything to note when rebuilding the machine?
Ofcourse i want to keep my current Case, SSDs(unless suggested), Graphics Card, Optical Drive and HDD.

I built my pc but i dont know about Raid or anything specific to the new motherboard I should be doing or watching out for?


Thank you!!

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hey there,

Hmmm. I'm not so sure I'd be spending a £1000 to upgrade your system. As it stands, you have still a pretty capable system by modern standards.

With a bit of an overclock on your still relevant CPU, you can push some more performance from your system. Specially from a gaming/FPS point of view.

You could just get a nice sized SSD/MVe boot drive, get a new 'quality' PSU, like the one you have linked, and OC your CPU, as much as you can (but doing it properly)

The new system above, will give you a boost, but not what you might think over what you have already.

 

[FlewDesigns]

Hey there,

Hmmm. I'm not so sure I'd be spending a £1000 to upgrade your system. As it stands, you have still a pretty capable system by modern standards.

With a bit of an overclock on your still relevant CPU, you can push some more performance from your system. Specially from a gaming/FPS point of view.

You could just get a nice sized SSD/MVe boot drive, get a new 'quality' PSU, like the one you have linked, and OC your CPU, as much as you can (but doing it properly)

The new system above, will give you a boost, but not what you might think over what you have already.

Ooh interesting thank you. I've OCd my cpu and my card. Can you suggest a ssd or mve boot drive to get?

I use my pc for games but mainly 3d applications.

 

[FlewDesigns]

Hey there,

Hmmm. I'm not so sure I'd be spending a £1000 to upgrade your system. As it stands, you have still a pretty capable system by modern standards.

With a bit of an overclock on your still relevant CPU, you can push some more performance from your system. Specially from a gaming/FPS point of view.

You could just get a nice sized SSD/MVe boot drive, get a new 'quality' PSU, like the one you have linked, and OC your CPU, as much as you can (but doing it properly)

The new system above, will give you a boost, but not what you might think over what you have already.

I use it for Maya/Vray. i have seen it max out a few times if i have a really complicated scene but not often. i do get crashes though if i am running two minitors but i think that may be fixed by the new PSU.

If i can j ust get a new SSD/Mve boot drive and get a slight increase in performance i would be happy with that. any ideas what to get?

 

[Oussebon]

Adata SX8200 M.2 SSD offers pretty good performance, similar to Samsung's 970 Evo, but often cheaper at least here in the UK. Or the 970 Evo Plus itself.

You can keep most of your money back and save up a little more to see whether a Zen 3 12 or 16 core later this year would be worth a purchase.

 

[Oussebon]

i do get crashes though if i am running two minitors but i think that may be fixed by the new PSU.

Why would a new PSU fix that?

 

[logainofhades]

You could maybe go with the non wifi version, or step up to the Aorus Pro.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/fHxbt6,nHxbt6/

 

[FlewDesigns]

Why would a new PSU fix that?

I have no idea. but im getting 'very high' power usage from stupid things like chrome. Im not a IT guy, i did build my machine but i cant say i know too much.

Thing is... when i turn off my second monitor i dont get crashes in Maya... no idea.

 

[FlewDesigns]

Adata SX8200 M.2 SSD offers pretty good performance, similar to Samsung's 970 Evo, but often cheaper at least here in the UK. Or the 970 Evo Plus itself.

You can keep most of your money back and save up a little more to see whether a Zen 3 12 or 16 core later this year would be worth a purchase.

Oooh thank you

 

[FlewDesigns]

You could maybe go with the non wifi version, or step up to the Aorus Pro.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/fHxbt6,nHxbt6/

Thank you!

 

[Oussebon]

The power supply doesn't feed your monitors, and if your PSU wasn't up to the task you'd likely have found out about it running just a single monitor given the demanding workloads and also gaming.

It's more likely to be a software or driver issue.

I don't use Maya but having a quick google there's various software that gets blamed:
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/maya...after-leaving-panels-on-a-second/td-p/8240556
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/maya...s-opened-on-second-monitor/m-p/8561815#M68638

You could run a clean boot to see if the issue goes away:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/929135/how-to-perform-a-clean-boot-in-windows
And try removing Autodesk Desktop Manager, according to one of those posters.

 

[logainofhades]

Your current PSU is a bit low on wattage, and quality, for your current power hungry combo. A better quality, with a bit more wattage, may solve your crashing issues. When you are putting an extreme load, on your hardware, your current one may not be able to provide enough stable power.

 

[FlewDesigns]

The power supply doesn't feed your monitors, and if your PSU wasn't up to the task you'd likely have found out about it running just a single monitor given the demanding workloads and also gaming.

It's more likely to be a software or driver issue.

I don't use Maya but having a quick google there's various software that gets blamed:
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/maya...after-leaving-panels-on-a-second/td-p/8240556
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/maya...s-opened-on-second-monitor/m-p/8561815#M68638

You could run a clean boot to see if the issue goes away:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/929135/how-to-perform-a-clean-boot-in-windows
And try removing Autodesk Desktop Manager, according to one of those posters.

Thanks for the help. I'm changing the psu as it's 6 years old but I'll try those things. Thanks again

 

[FlewDesigns]

Your current PSU is a bit low on wattage, and quality, for your current power hungry combo. A better quality, with a bit more wattage, may solve your crashing issues. When you are putting an extreme load, on your hardware, your current one may not be able to provide enough stable power.

Yeah I bought a new one 750 so should help thanks

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

I use it for Maya/Vray. i have seen it max out a few times if i have a really complicated scene but not often. i do get crashes though if i am running two minitors but i think that may be fixed by the new PSU.

If i can j ust get a new SSD/Mve boot drive and get a slight increase in performance i would be happy with that. any ideas what to get?

As @logainofhades said, I think your PSU is the reason for the crashes, and as @Oussebon mentioned has nothing to do with the number of monitors you're using.

At load, if your PSU isn't providing enough power, or has lost efficiency, then it may be causing the crashes. It's very likely. You've a 140w CPU, and overclocked, may go as high as 180-200w, a GTX1080ti which can hit 300w at full load (game and card dependent) so a quality 700-750w PSU would be good, to give a little headroom. What PSU did you buy? I'd recommend

On the SSD, I would have suggested a Samsung 970/Pro 1TB for Boot, or Intel 660p 1tb, which are pretty close in performance. The increase in performance over the drives you have will be very noticeable, IMO.