PC to replace my PS4?

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I am considering replacing my PS4, which I use for gaming, but also just as much for streaming tv (Netflix, AmazonPrime, and HBO primarily), with a custom built PC. My struggle in this is two fold: first I have never built a computer and am lacking in some of the requisite knowledge, and secondly I don't know if switching to PC is really worth my while considering what I use the machine for. All of this is stemming from the fact that I'm moving into new place in a 6-10 months and will be updating my living room setup and figured I'd look into switching. I also just started a job as a pre-sales engineer at a cloud computing company so building a computer seems like a way to do something fun in my work field.

Things to consider:
-I'm not a big multiplayer gamer. I played an embarrassing amount of COD in college but afterwards became disenchanted somewhere around MW3 and basically stopped playing online multiplayer of any game thereafter. I really don't need to be beating someone else in the world to enjoy my game. I work in sales so I interact with people all day and am perfectly happy interacting with NPCs when I'm playing a video game.
-The games I've played most so that you know what type of game to expect: FarCry (all of them), some Assassins Creed (maybe every other year; they release too many for me to want to keep up), Skyrim (never tried it on PC but would definitely revisit it if I switch to pc), TONS of FIFA - i update every year, the occasional shooter (destiny/COD type stuff), Dishonored, LOTR Shadows of Mordor, and of course The Witcher series. I apparently like big single player games, and soccer (game recommendations if I make the switch are welcome).
- I play 1-3 hours of games a day. There are plenty of days that I don't play at all, and the occasional weekend day when I sit down and suddenly its 5 hours later.
-This system will be hooked up to a big screen. I hear this is a consideration with PC builds.
-Gotta run Windows unless someone has a good reason not to and a way to teach my wife how to use something else.
-I need to be able to use a controller. From what I've heard this isn't a problem, apparently the XBOX controller is the standard for use with PC and I'm fine with that. I'm totally down to use mouse and keyboard in some circumstances but this is a living room setup so controller would be more convenient. Side note, has anyone used the Steam controller? Its sounds like it could be cool.
-Need to be able to shut volume off and use a headset (no loyalty here so Bose, Turtle Beach, whatever). Sometimes one of us has to work at home and we're in downtown SF (the most expensive city to live in in the world) so it ain't a big place.
-It would be ideal if I could wirelessly hook this up to multiple tvs (living room and bedroom) don't know how to do it but if someone has a recommendation that'd be cool. Also I don't know if this will work for gaming or just video so happy to get advice.
-I'm very interested in the Virtual Reality tech thats coming out, and fully expect that within a year I'll want to tinker with that stuff so recommendations regarding it would be appreciated.

My projected build so far:

Here's the big part where I can use help (if you think I should move forward with this). Money is not a real concern but with that said I'm replacing a ~$500 thing here so I'm not going to be ok with dropping $1500 on the base hardware. The build I propose below will come in just under 1k if I build it myself and there's going to be other stuff I need (mouse/keyboard, headset, OS, etc.) so I guess I'm looking at around $1200. Obviously, I'd appreciate suggestions on ways to keep the price down and/or performance up.

Processor: Intel Core i5-4590 ( ~$200)
Mother: Intel Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H (~$85)
Video: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 ($340)
Memory: G.SKILLS Ares 8G (considering a 1x8 so I can easily upgrade to 16G later) (~$45)
Hard Drive:Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (I play a ton of big open world games so I might like the faster load times) (~$165)
Case: NZXT Phantom 240 (~$75)
Power: Antecedent HCG 520M (~$65)

I want a system that has room to be upgraded easily later (hence SSD for now but will get a WD Blue HDD later to add on, and the 1x8gb memory so I can add a second)

Sorry for the novel but thanks in advance to anyone that bothers to read all this and give me some good feedback!
 
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So, I read your post - and this is the biggest problem I see.

Ultimately, consoles are really good/cheap for what they are - they've got that pricepoint covered.
60FPS gaming, video streaming etc can all be done (and relatively cheaply).

Everything else is achievable (also gaming over wireless, I'm not sure about - you can use ChromeCast and similar to send video to other TVs, but gaming might be difficult).

1. No multi-player reduces the graphical/CPU processing required, so you can scale...


So, I read your post - and this is the biggest problem I see.

Ultimately, consoles are really good/cheap for what they are - they've got that pricepoint covered.
60FPS gaming, video streaming etc can all be done (and relatively cheaply).

Everything else is achievable (also gaming over wireless, I'm not sure about - you can use ChromeCast and similar to send video to other TVs, but gaming might be difficult).

1. No multi-player reduces the graphical/CPU processing required, so you can scale back components....to a degree. Problem being if you want to look at VR in the (relatively) near future, then suddenly you're looking at needing better components.

2. If it has to run Windows, you have to factor the cost into your build too. Windows alone is around $90.

This would be my recommendation for your build.....I've kept the case, as I assume that "fits" with your decor & honestly, the case is the most personal preference element of a build.

Including Windows, I'm right at $1k, but gives you secondary storage, a better GPU, a PSU that'll last you a long time, 16GB DDR4 etc...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($59.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390X 8GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($339.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 240 ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($87.95 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1012.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-03 12:46 EST-0500
 
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For streaming, I would stick with what you have. IT works. PC's aren't adopting too fast to these streaming services and the companies aren't jumping on. For example, in order to get Dolby Surround sound of Netflix on a PC, you HAVE to use the Windows 8 or 10 app. You can use a browser to watch netflix, but no surround. I know a few other services are the same. I'm in Canada so I don't get Amazon Prime TV, but I'd assume it's the same, if they have a Windows App at all.

Navigation works. Yiou can use a controller and navigate from movie to movie on your PS4. PC's are meant for keyboard and mouse, and don't work well with remote controls. There is some hacks to be able to use a remote with the Netflix App, but again, clunky, and as soon they change something in the app,, the remote hack doesn't work until it gets patched, etc.

I stream all my stuff, I don't have cable anymore and went from a western digital box to a roku to thinking a media PC would be better and built up a small streaming PC and it's frustrating and I wish I didn't sell the Roku. It has a netflix app, that gives you full surround, that works with it's remote and does what it does.
 


Thanks for the help!

As for the case I don't care at all it was just a suggested case. My understanding is that it really doesn't matter much so I'll probably look harder before buying to find one that fits with the home (the one part of this that the better half will get input on probably).

QQ- How will this build compare to a PS4? What differences will I notice when gaming? When watching TV? What should I expect to have to upgrade first and when do you predict that will be? What are the benefits of making the switch either in quality of experience, cost of games, cost of maintenance, ect?
 
What you have to remember, is there's dramatic differences between each games performance on a desktop.
Consoles, the games are designed to hit a (fairly) consistent 60FPS - and nothing more. Usually this is achieved around "medium" settings.

You have much more freedom on a desktop.

Rough example - depends on the game of course.
You can aim for "Ultra" settings - substantially higher than consoles and likely achieve playable FPS on most games (hardware dependent of course)
Settle for high settings you'd be able to achieve substantially more FPS than a console - and higher settings.

Over time, with newer games, you can lower your settings to keep everything at a playable experience.


1. Compared to a PS4 in gaming, the rig I proposed will perform substantially better.
2. Differences while gaming being higher FPS, higher settings (as the option isnt there on a consoles) and a smoother "all-round experience.
3. Streaming TV is different all-together. Getochkn has already covered that in detail.
4. What you have to upgrade first, really depends on your needs. GPU is a common one. When that will be, depends on how "easy" you are to please. If you're happy meeting 60FPS on medium settings (as per a console), you should be able to achieve that on this setup for years to come. If you get to the point you want to see 100's of FPS at Ultra settings, obviously your hardware would need to be reviewed pretty frequently to keep up with that demand.
5. Cost of games do tend to be a bit cheaper via Steam etc opposed to PS Store and physical games.
6. Cost of maintenance should be comparable. If you build your rig from quality components, can provide the system with adequate cooling & clean out dust periodically, it shouldn't need any "real" maintenance.
 


You won't notice any difference in quality of TV, just all the problems I mentioned above.