And that has what to do with what?
Other than I didn't smack you right away for Necro-posting!
Because, GA, you have started making personal insults, which is conduct I thought mods were supposed to be above.
Necro-posting?? I realize 'PCI-X Video Cards' is an arcane subject, and thought I might be making as little fuss as possible by just adding to this admittedly older but topically relevant thread rather than starting a whole new duplicate arcane thread.
You're welcome - Apparently, I spend waaay too much time worrying about what other people think, or what might be considered thoughtful.
I'm sensing you don't actually understand the difference between your desire for some wishful unattainable item and the crux of the issue: if there was money to be made it would be made, if it's not being done, that's because it's not worth it. Thought you'd understand the Matrox reference, but obviously that went over your head.
I don't think you are understanding what it is I think at all. 'If it's not being done, that's because it's not worth it', sounds remarkably to me like why the patent clerk quit at the turn of the 19th century - because "Everything had already been invented."
http://blog.cestudios.ca/2007/11/02/everything-has-already-been-invented/
If it's not being done, it could be that the issue has been thoroughly studied in an intelligent manner and rejected as unworkable, or it could simply be that no one has made the appropriate effort.
I am familiar with the Matrox cards, and that was a long time ago aimed at a completely different market. Things are different now, systems are different now, the market is different now - therefore, opportunities are different now.
Besides that, Matrox cards have always been overpriced and underpowered. Any real solution such as I propose would have to be by one of the
big manufacturers to make a truly useful and readily available Vista-ready ActiveX and Open GL compatible chip.
It's not even adequate to compete with an Xbox, let alone entry level, mid-range and is so far from cutting-edge the light from a cutting-edge system takes 2 days to reach your solution.
See, this is just the kind of thing that confuses me. I say I'm not trying to compete with a game system, so you make a big production out of telling me it doesn't compete with a gaming system. Okay, we agree on that. Again.
However, it will work fine for a net, office, or multimedia PC, which accounts for far more PCs than gamer rigs.
Niche markets they support at subsistence level for the niche markets like multi-monitors and people who put $100 PCI card in their 4 year old eMachine thinking that GF8600GS will game above a GF8400 PCIe model that would dominate it.
There you go again comparing it to a gaming rig. That is why I keep pointing out your referencing gaming rigs.
Also, last I checked $100 is less than the cost of a new computer, even one with minimal graphics.
...the majority who would 'only' have a PCI slot and whose integrated graphics isn't at least an X300 or GMA 950 level would have far more problems than just the video, but they would be convinced that the graphics would solve it and give them a 'capable system'. Instead of simply spending the proper money for the proper upgrade. It is time to junk the thing and start over.
Like what problems? When was the last time you actually spent time on the type of computer I described in my initial post? The fact is I am intimately familiar with the challenges, solutions, and limitations of what I am proposing, and you are not. This is evident by your statements.
Please re-read my initial post, then outline just what 'problems' you are referring to that the graphics wouldn't solve.
No one said it was, you brought it into the equation, I didn't even consider it in my initial reply, you included it in your first post.
Yes, I did, and I was very specific of the limitations of this and have repeated it - and you still keep trying to compare this solution to gaming rigs, which I brought up initially to dispel!
For the workstation market it's pointless to have more than the existing PCI cards, for the add-in market it's pointless to have more, and for the multi-monitor market it's pointless to have more. For all those reasons, you're wrong.
Your opinions are noted.
You think I was focusing on games, but I'm not...
...again...
I'm focusing on economics and my understanding of the industry and buying this on a large scale professional level for 4 years dealing directly with companies like Matrox in particular to try and get them to commit to a Vista Aero capable card so we could continue with using them on enterprise PCs because we preferred their multi-monitor support at the time.
Wow GA, that is truly cool. For any work you have done in this direction, I am grateful - but I notice that you describe your activity in that market as for your needs. There are other needs out there too - there are other markets out there too.
And I have ALREADY AGREED in my very first post that I doubt that it will ever come to pass. Why you would continue to mockingly hammer on how it will never work I find more than a bit unnecessary, not to mention strange.
Simple, you necro-post wishing for a gilded unicorn and you aren't willing to pay the price for a cheap mobo+cpu+ram combo to accomplish a better upgrade, and don't understand the basic limitations of the market, especially economics.
Don't hold back GA - tell us all how you really feel!
Let me describe my computer for you GA, so you can then make an
informed observation. It is a Supermicro dual 3Ghz Xeon with dual 10K HDDs, XP Pro, 4 Gig RAM, dual writeable DVD, sound card, DAW card, etc.. That's the highlights. In particular, the mobo has four separate PCI buses, just as I described in my initial post, which means the video card does not get interfered with by NIC, sound, HDD, or anything else. It is a bit of an antique - the system bus bandwidth is a paltry 3 GB/s, but that means that it runs anything I want to without hiccup - and yes, I can even play some games on it, despite the PCI handicap.
WHY would I replace this with a 'cheap mobo+cpu+ram combo'? Do you really think it would run better - other than the possibility of a PCIe slot, which would doubtless run like crap because of system overhead conflicts?
Funny story, they tried to give me one of those new boxes at work - and after a week I gave it back in frustration, preferring to keep my old computer, which is similar to the one at home, it was MUCH faster than the new box - but then you wouldn't have that experience, so I can understand your prejudice.
You can try and pretend that's why, but you're simply being ignorant of the real reason which I'll state again so you can absorb it better; If there was money to be made from it, it would be made doing so, if not by ATi/AMD, intel or nVidia, then by Matrox and S3 who would be more than happy to sell 'a TON of cards', or even a new entrant to focus just on that; that this is not the case should give you an indication as to how big and important your market is.
Goodness GA, one would think if your arguments were really that compelling you wouldn't have to resort to the personal attacks. Ignorant, am I? (I have already given my opinion of your opinions, above.)
Perhaps you could share with us all the
real reason you are so adamant about this issue - Perhaps you really have experienced a lot of frustration in your own attempts to increase legacy vid card capability?
), and after extensive discussions on the topic, the minute you add the word GAMES the discussion is over, there's no point, and it's a waste of money for all involved. Only the luddites who think adding an HD5870 on a PCI or AGP card would make a P3-900 / XP2000 into a gaming rig think they have something profound to add that the people who make money doing this are missing out on. [:thegreatgrapeape:5] 
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