Question Performance issues for video editing pc

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Very strange this pc I made slows down massively when under any strain at all. I tried various software with same result. When editing video specially applying effects in adobe premiere and davinci resolve, transferring files while streaming netflix, playing pc games, it slows down massively the frame rate of everything on screen is very bad.

It is a i5 3rd gen
16gb ram Hyper x
Gigabyte b75m-d3h
tried with gtx650 and gtx 1050ti (as it was meant to work with adobe premier for video editing so I want the cuda core accelerations)

I thought it might be the gpu so I tried two different ones.
I re installed windows with a fresh installation.
I wiped both drives to remove remnants of earlier installations of windows.
I updated motherboard firmware.

It is rather odd as it all works fine but then if I put under any load at all everything slows down and it is glitchy. I have had some random crashes where it powers off but they are not very common.

I am kinda at a loss as I tried almost everything apart from replacing the motherboard.

Could it be a bad sata cable? I doubt it but asking ...

Maybe one of the hard drives is faulty?

Once thing that is strange in the recourse monitor nothing is maxing out.

Could it be the ram configuration?

I believe they are matched, I tried in same channel and in dual channel modes...
 
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I concur with the above - It is simply an old platform.

3rd gen i5
16GB RAM
HDD instead of SSD

It is good for basic stuff, but, as you state...when under load with large video files, it struggles.
Time for an upgrade to a whole new platform.
 

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I might guess that ram is your limiter if you are working with large documents.
Here is an article on recommended hardware for photoshop.

3rd gen is a long way back from current tech.
It might be time to consider an upgrade.

If you are not using a ssd, that would be a good upgrade regardless.
It can be mofed to a new upgrade.
Sorry all your advice is wrong. I have 16gb ram. It is a quad core CPU capable of editing HD video. It slows down even when simultaneously transferring files and trying to stream Netflix. It is more than capable of some hard work.

It is really a mystery. I have no idea. I worked with computers my whole life. I am thinking a fault with the motherboard. It appears to be hardware and I listed the various things I tried.
 

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I don't understand. I have ssd. It is not that old it is more than capable of the tasks I am asking of it.
Oh. The SSD wasn't stated.

I have a generation newer CPU (specs below), and do some vid editing...nothing huge.

In what specific way is it failing?
What have you looked into to determine what it is?

ProcessMonitor, Resource Monitor, etc...
What, exactly, is consuming the system resources?
 

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I concur with the above - It is simply an old platform.

3rd gen i5
16GB RAM
HDD instead of SSD

It is good for basic stuff, but, as you state...when under load with large video files, it struggles.
Time for an upgrade to a whole new platform.
this is incorrect and worrying that you do not understand that this is perfectly fine for editing I thought people on this forum knew about computers.

I have tried the resource monitor I stated in the OP that I have tried the resource monitor and it all appears fine. Nothing is peaking or maxing out.

I already listed what I have tried in the OP.
 

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Oh. The SSD wasn't stated.

I have a generation newer CPU (specs below), and do some vid editing...nothing huge.

In what specific way is it failing?
What have you looked into to determine what it is?

ProcessMonitor, Resource Monitor, etc...
What, exactly, is consuming the system resources?
i explained all of this in the OP
it is slowing evervythign down on my computer. Like the frame rate of everything goes down itis struggling with some bottle neck that is not the ram or cpu HD or graphics
 

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i explained all of this in the OP
it is slowing evervythign down on my computer. Like the frame rate of everything goes down itis struggling with some bottle neck that is not the ram or cpu HD or graphics
OK...its NOT the:
CPU, HDD, RAM, or GPU.

That doesn't leave much.

Motherboard is unlikely to "fail gradually".

What was the onset of this slowness?
New software?
Larger files?
Something else?
 
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this makes total sense...
as I explained already it is when my pc is under any kind of load ie: video editing or moving loads of files while attempting to stream netflix

So makes sense it is thermal throttling
 

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I have un covered two more issues with HWMONITOR64
one of my HD has a yellow warning next to it, is this because it is a sata 6gb drive but going into a 3gbs sata interface?
also VMX is disabled, virtual machine extensions
is that important?
hmmm

anyway I think I solved the issue myself ! :)
 

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I have un covered two more issues with HWMONITOR64
one of my HD has a yellow warning next to it, is this because it is a sata 6gb drive but going into a 3gbs sata interface?
also VMX is disabled, virtual machine extensions
is that important?
hmmm

anyway I think I solved the issue myself ! :)
For an HDD, SATA II (3gb) or SATA III (6gb) makes no difference.
A fully functioning HDD can't saturate a SATA II connection.

For a SATA SSD, it would make a difference.
 
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I stated in OP it is 3rd get i5 and ddr3 16gb ram it is kingston hyper x
I asked because:
There is a difference in performance between a i5-3570K and a i5-3330.
There is a difference in performance between a 1 x 16gb ram and 2 x 8gb which runs in faster dual channel mode.
HyperX comes in different speeds and cas timings.

That said, I do not think the differences would be large enough to account for your symptoms.
Neither is a motherboard issue likely to be the cause.

Look at task manager while you are running and experiencing this slowdown.
Look at the resource monitor section.
If you see more than 0 under hard faults per second, you have a ram shortage.
Look to see what the tasks with the largest working set are.

Look at the cpu section to see what tasks are consuming the most cpu usage.

I am not an expert on your app. There may be some settings that impact performance.
The photoshop forums may be a more productive place o ask about such settings.

How full is your ssd?
once it nears 90% full, it will slow down and lose endurance.
 
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If you are using the stock intel cooler:
----------------how to mount the stock Intel cooler--------------

The stock Intel cooler can be tricky to install.
A poor installation will result in higher cpu temperatures.
If properly mounted, you should expect temperatures at idle to be 10-15c. over ambient.

To mount the Intel stock cooler properly, place the motherboard on top of the foam or cardboard backing that was packed with the motherboard.
The stock cooler will come with paste pre applied, it looks like three grey strips.
The 4 push pins should come in the proper position for installation, that is with the pins rotated in the opposite direction of the arrow,(clockwise)
and pulled up as far as they can go.
Take the time to play with the pushpin mechanism until you know how they work.
Orient the 4 pins so that they are exactly over the motherboard holes.
If one is out of place, you will damage the pins which are delicate.
Push down on a DIAGONAL pair of pins at the same time. Then the other pair.
When you push down on the top black pins, it expands the white plastic pins to fix the cooler in place.
If you do them one at a time, you will not get the cooler on straight.
Lastly, look at the back of the motherboard to verify that all 4 pins are equally through the motherboard, and that the cooler is on firmly.
This last step must be done, which is why the motherboard should be out of the case to do the job. Or you need a case with a opening that lets you see the pins.
It is possible to mount the cooler with the motherboard mounted in the case, but you can then never be certain that the push pins are inserted properly
unless you can verify that the pins are through the motherboard and locked.

If you should need to remove the cooler, first run the cpu to heat it up and soften the paste before shutting down and powering off the pc. That makes it easy to unstick the old cooler.
Turn the pins counter clockwise to unlock them.
You will need to clean off the old paste and reapply new if you ever take the cooler off.
Clean off old paste with alcohol and a lint free paper like a coffee filter.
Apply new paste sparingly. A small rice sized drop in the center will spread our under heat and pressure.
Too much paste is bad, it will act as an insulator.
It is hard to use too little.
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I asked because:
There is a difference in performance between a i5-3570K and a i5-3330.
There is a difference in performance between a 1 x 16gb ram and 2 x 8gb which runs in faster dual channel mode.
HyperX comes in different speeds and cas timings.

That said, I do not think the differences would be large enough to account for your symptoms.
Neither is a motherboard issue likely to be the cause.

Look at task manager while you are running and experiencing this slowdown.
Look at the resource monitor section.
If you see more than 0 under hard faults per second, you have a ram shortage.
Look to see what the tasks with the largest working set are.

Look at the cpu section to see what tasks are consuming the most cpu usage.

I am not an expert on your app. There may be some settings that impact performance.
The photoshop forums may be a more productive place o ask about such settings.

How full is your ssd?
once it nears 90% full, it will slow down and lose endurance.
hey man cool it is two 8gb kingston hyper x
so better to put them in different channels?
there should not be a ram shortage as its 16gb
 

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I left it alone the page file seems fine. it is system controlled.
The computer is working well now.
I am worried about some of the advice people are obsessed with upgrading things that do not need that.
An old i5 is perfectly capable of all the tasks I mentioned, the knee jerk reaction to upgrade everything would have wasted loads of my money and time, less experienced people will simpy do that and not only fail to learn anything but waste money and time.
Sad to think of all the old tech people throw away when it is perfectly usable.
Thanks for the useful advice!
It is working very well now I have attached the cpu fan better, next will apply some thermal paste for extra conductivity.
Editing hd footage is very easy now and my gtx 650 gpu is rendering it all fast.
Nice little editing machine.
Cheers. Peace.
 

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The reason a new PC was initially recommended is that an i5-3xxx platform IS 9 years old now.
I have one, mostly retired.

Given new tools and features, and potentially larger video files....an i5-3xxx can struggle.
 

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no its perfectly fine thats nonsense mate
you mean for 4k or raw?
sure yeah
I explained it was for premiere to edit hd footage, and it was struggling to move files while streaming netflix...
Really that is bad advice to knee jerk just upgrade everything. I would have still had the same issue.
 
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If you already discovered the issue was CPU throttling, then fix your CPU cooler before asking any more questions. The other stuff you are asking about are minor details that will have little to no impact on the PC's performance, wheras fixing your busted-ass CPU cooler will make it run many times faster. There is little point tinkering around the edges while you have a huge issue with CPU cooling.
 
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